Show me the MANA!

[Yumi_umi]

All of this only really applies to pre formed parties/ statics or a lucky group where everyone knows their roles.
U cannot solo heal bad parties that get hit by stuff they shouldn't.
Try qeuing up as an over geared healer for ultima hm. Chances r u'll get a party filled with a lot of 1st timers ( cuz they just wanna clear it ) who will eat a lot of aoes and eventually die. You know u shouldn't rez them cuz weakness/ brink of death is wrecking their max hp but u have to so the party can meet dps check. Decisions decisions.
I know from farming it for the ultima card ( ironically i got it from a gold pack ) all those wasted runs gg.

[Nerael]

It's fine. I find the conversation/debate truly ridiculous. I play both jobs and am grateful for my cohealers. You can really tell when you're paired with a bad one >_<

Agreed, we should be bashing lousy healers, not our friendly neighborhood SCH or WHM that makes our life easier.
When me and me Co-Healer team up we always que as WHM&SCH even though we both have both classes at respectable ilvl's.

I'm always happy when EOS or Selene is around on my WHM, works great with small pocket heals while I heal up the large damage. My Co-healing SCH will be focusing on topping them off and adding a little shield preventing further damage. Large AOE Damage? Succor + Sacred Soil + Divine Seal +Medica II and BAM everyone back at full health near instantly with some damage mitigating effects to boot.

[Tanthalus]

The math to break it down is fun and all but completely irrelevant given that this game doesn't have many oppurtunities for you to stand and cast a pattern. Especially as a healer. The OP and a few others have it right. Out of the two healers I play whm mainly and I never have a mana issue. Learning resource management is just part of the class and we're given all the tools to be effective at it. Mana breakdown through numbers would only prove similar results if coil turns and primals were just target dummies.

[Sanguisio]

I'd say SCH is less mana efficient in fights like t13 where you need to AOE heal everyone quite a few times.
WHM can cure3/Medica 2

SCH has EOS for some of it, but there are times succor spams need to be used

[Matriqona]

Shroud of Saints could use a recast reduce down to 100 seconds..

[ZhycranaDranix]

I've probably down'd this fight like 30-40 times now and na , SCH is there for the top off. I've never had to spam Succor unless, 1. the WHM is down 2. the WHM is low on MP or 3. the WHM blows

[Menae]

Shroud of Saints could use a recast reduce down to 100 seconds..

Shroud just needs to scale based on something gear based. That would eliminate the extreme peaks and valleys the ability has. As is it's incredibly strong when you first get it or the trait upgrade to it (at 48, 1060 mp is like half an mp pool), but at level 50 with high level gear, it's around 20%. Even more importantly, it would mean Square doesn't need to blow a CNJ trait every expansion to keep it up to date. Every class has enough of the boring "Increases potency/Reduces CD of <NON-CROSS CLASSABLE SKILL>" already. I want more cool things, like River of Blood or Thundercloud or Freecure, that actually affect how you play.

[Kelya]

Always surprised by this kind of responses... You don't even need to compare SCH/WHM, you don't need all these maths ; if you feel MP is bad on the WHM you are the issue (or your team mates are). That's all.

Not to add a WHM can dps from time to time in any content. If some are able to dps that's the proof MP is not an issue at all.

Also MP management is the chore of the WHM job... Remove it and the job itseft loose its entire interest, no more challenge, no more fun... WHM is perfect as it is, WHM is WHM, not SCH, don't care if one recover more MP by time they are not working the same.

[Menae]

Always surprised by this kind of responses... You don't even need to compare SCH/WHM, you don't need all these maths ; if you feel MP is bad on the WHM you are the issue (or your team mates are). That's all.

Not to add a WHM can dps from time to time in any content. If some are able to dps that's the proof MP is not an issue at all.

Also MP management is the chore of the WHM job... Remove it and the job itseft loose its entire interest, no more challenge, no more fun... WHM is perfect as it is, WHM is WHM, not SCH, don't care if one recover more MP by time they are not working the same.

Eh, to me part of the fun IS the math. I enjoy figuring out what a class is capable of in a vacuum, then trying to apply it to actual encounters. If that isn't your cup of tea, I understand.

The thing you said I do take issue with is when you said WHM is perfect. It isn't, and neither is any other class, encounter, or mechanic in this or any other game. Nothing is ever perfect, and I think that looking for ways things could be improved is fun.

[Brightshadow]

People really underestimate how powerful the White Mage really is, they can basically heal the whole party in 2 seconds and keep them healed with regen and medica II, while the scholar would struggle to get the whole party HP up before the next AOE. Sure the scholar is better at MP management and they can do pretty darn well in solo healing content that doesn't need 2 healers, but when you need 2 healers a party without a white mage is a nightmare. Honestly I think when Astrologian comes out the White Mage will be the most balanced out of all 3 because its just right in the healing department; while scholar is more of a support type of healer who do you think handles most of the healing in raids; yes the white mage.