Show me the MANA!

[Kelya]

Nothing is ever perfect, and I think that looking for ways things could be improved is fun.

For sure nothing is perfect but there's a difference between wanting improvment and wanting a nerf of the job (or the contrary, doesn't know how to tell it in english). This last is currently the one demanded by most of the WHM here on the forum just because they found difficulties. Improvment doesn't need to be based on difficulties met in game to be created whereas a nerf in this case that can be seen as an improvment for some players is actually implemented to assist the players who have whined for it during months. This happened to the WHM, there are plenty of "whm is lacking" "whm mp issues" thread and some funny guys are now trying to balance it for some reasons with the sch side "sch will always be inferior to whm" "sch blablabla".

But then improvment and breaking gameplay are different notions for everyone, to each their own.

[Lyrinn]

I'd say SCH is less mana efficient in fights like t13 where you need to AOE heal everyone quite a few times.
WHM can cure3/Medica 2

SCH has EOS for some of it, but there are times succor spams need to be used

I can't think of any time you would need to spam succor. Other than megaflare/rage and megaflare/pillar combos, no additional damage follows up on AoEs and you have time to single target heal or let your fairy do her work. If that's not enough, I would have to question what your co-healer is doing - unless you're solo healing, in which case MP management is out the window anyways.

[RylaiBluecrow]

people still are talking about this ._.

My point is that, if you are fucked and your team is suffering from whatever reason, be it Titan X, Ifrit X, Odin, dungeon speed run huge pulls, sometimes you just gotta run out of mana. Don't ever tell me that you as WHM or SCH never ran out of mana once. That's completely bs. Shit happens and as healers, we have to deal with it.

[PetiteMalFleur]

In a clean run of all content there is no reason to ever need ballad as whm or scholar.

[Menae]

In a clean run of all content there is no reason to ever need ballad as whm or scholar.

Two words and a smiley:

Holy. Spam.

[AldoVonAlexandros]

Whm don't have mana issues, players d

[Slib]

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Let us mash everything.

WHM : 3574 MP/min
SCH : 3228 MP/min

Since shroud of saints have a 3 min cooldown, let's put all of this to 3 min format and take out the amount of mp we can restore from the usage.
*Assuming both players have 5k mp, aetherflow should restore 1k mp per use and shroud 1600 ish.

WHM : 9122 MP/3min
SCH : 6684 MP/3min
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What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

[Tanama]

I have to admit, I came into this thread thinking about:

[Kumabear76]

Dafuq is this "mana" you all speak of?

[mp-please]

What happened here? How did WHM go from 3574 mp / min to 9122/3min after mentioning 1600 mp gained from shroud vs 3000 gained from scholar from aetherflow, yet you say scholars 6684 mp /3min from 3228 mp/min?

Why is scholar so behind when Aetherflow restores more mp than Shroud?

I deducted mp restored by both mp regen skills (except energy drain)

Aetherflow on a sch with 5k mp = +1k mp per min, shroud = ~1600/ 3 mins
3574*3 = 10722 - 1600 = 9122
3228*3 = 9684 - 3000 = 6684