[dev 1032] What's wrong with job/subjob again?

[Ceons]

Please stop trying to make this FFXI-2!

I love the way this game is. It needs improvements, it is not without it's flaws, but we do not need to go BACKWARDS to improve the game. 10 year old mechanics do not work. You don't make the game more fun by limiting, forcing or taking away freedom.

All FFXIV needs is more flashy effects and emote type animations (big variety of them) for skills to make them look cooler and be recognizable.

FFXIV Also needs challenging content and group gameplay, like missions and instances/dungeons, quests, monsters and whatever else you can beat with a group and feel good about.

The future of MMO is stepping away from the 'Holy-trinity' not going back to it.

Just saying from your title 'back' is wrong... Forward is the answer.

[Kimahri]

To whoever said that many people agree with you that this system is totally great? Haha! Yeah. I have a side, too. It's called the greater number that left this P.O.S game to make SE allow YOU to play for FREE while they fixed the situation! Hahahaha!

You people think everyone who disagree's with you is out for FFXI-2, and that makes you insane. There is no reason you can give me that makes this current class system to not be improved and restricted. You people think of this MMO's freedom like it's a demigod compared to the regular mortal's of MMO. Grow up. I've played this stupid game on and off since it's release and spending $80 seems like a total waste. It's boring, bland, and tasteless.

Give me a challenge. A will to level up. So far 80% of my actions are pressing the number one on my action bar. Big whoop! That's some freedom right there, man! They let us attack on our own! YEE-HAW! That's some good S**T! Hey! Let's do a BR! Wait.......Number five......Wait.........Yay! That was great!!!

Don't know about you, but man that above paragraph was soooo great....I mean, that's some true freedom right there.

[kukurumei]

It's kind of sad, really. We finally have an MMO that gives us some actual freedom in designing our character and people are so flabbergasted by the idea that they start yelling for restrictions.

Practicality > originality
reality > theory
Hindsight is supreme

Don't try to reinvent the wheel if you got no idea how to supersede it. People don't get an E for effort, and neither do designs or MMOs.

All this freedom did was be free to be let down.

And yes Conj can be thurm's and actually due to a certain skill, conj's is being taken over by thurm because you can be a conj with a slightly farther spell range.

There's no such thing as classes in FF14. It's a really thin line. Just like there's no such thing as a "build". That's a false representation.

If you fight a monster who's weak to fire, and uses paralyze on you. You instantly equip things to counter it. Whatever weakness you had, is gone, whatever strength you didn't have is given.

Resistance is futile.

Being flexible means exactly that, you have no restrictions. Whatever seemly restrictive SP limits only serve as an annoyance rather then a barrier.

Oh I lost, change skills. Freedom to woop ass

[Reika]

I prefer originality over practicality any day. Anyone who makes another Rift / wow clone can burn to ashes.

[yukikaze_yanagi]

And yes Conj can be thurm's and actually due to a certain skill, conj's is being taken over by thurm because you can be a conj with a slightly farther spell range.

Yeah, you know what ? Now SE give a skill to modify your aoe in a cone. NOW you are a thm in conjurer shape

[Kimahri]

Practicality > originality
reality > theory
Hindsight is supreme

Don't try to reinvent the wheel if you got no idea how to supersede it. People don't get an E for effort, and neither do designs or MMOs.

All this freedom did was be free to be let down.

And yes Conj can be thurm's and actually due to a certain skill, conj's is being taken over by thurm because you can be a conj with a slightly farther spell range.

There's no such thing as classes in FF14. It's a really thin line. Just like there's no such thing as a "build". That's a false representation.

If you fight a monster who's weak to fire, and uses paralyze on you. You instantly equip things to counter it. Whatever weakness you had, is gone, whatever strength you didn't have is given.

Resistance is futile.

Being flexible means exactly that, you have no restrictions. Whatever seemly restrictive SP limits only serve as an annoyance rather then a barrier.

Oh I lost, change skills. Freedom to woop ass

Oh how I love you. You & I are one in the same. This current system is junk. Restrictions, please!

[Ceons]

Yea, look at rift... It has nothing original. It's a boring, bland, tasteless game and it got a rating of 8.5!!

All this game needs is content and things to do.

Half the people who comment are probably not even playing it now because they are acting as if this game is just the same as when it was released.

Do you not realize how much better it is now? Wow... If it wasn't for the bland taste that was left behind from release people could see with a little content that this game is just as magical and awesome as the FF games should be.

People don't change what you don't know. Let them give content and if it doesn't work, they can always go back and LIMIT your game play and go to ancient holy trinity ways. (yay for seeking for group for hours, yay for being completely dependent, yay for being utterly useless by yourself and always needing other people's time to do what you want).

[Arcell]

Practicality > originality
reality > theory
Hindsight is supreme

Don't try to reinvent the wheel if you got no idea how to supersede it. People don't get an E for effort, and neither do designs or MMOs.

All this freedom did was be free to be let down.

And yes Conj can be thurm's and actually due to a certain skill, conj's is being taken over by thurm because you can be a conj with a slightly farther spell range.

There's no such thing as classes in FF14. It's a really thin line. Just like there's no such thing as a "build". That's a false representation.

If you fight a monster who's weak to fire, and uses paralyze on you. You instantly equip things to counter it. Whatever weakness you had, is gone, whatever strength you didn't have is given.

Resistance is futile.

Being flexible means exactly that, you have no restrictions. Whatever seemly restrictive SP limits only serve as an annoyance rather then a barrier.

Oh I lost, change skills. Freedom to woop ass

While I disagree with a good deal of what you said, it holds very little bearing on the game as it's about to change in the direction of class uniqueness. I'm fine with some more restrictions, even if I think it's only because some players are too stupid to handle the freedom given to them. I simply don't want to see the job/subjob system again, I feel that's too restrictive.

[Malakhim]

Yea, look at rift... It has nothing original. It's a boring, bland, tasteless game and it got a rating of 8.5!!

All this game needs is content and things to do.

Half the people who comment are probably not even playing it now because they are acting as if this game is just the same as when it was released.

Do you not realize how much better it is now? Wow... If it wasn't for the bland taste that was left behind from release people could see with a little content that this game is just as magical and awesome as the FF games should be.

People don't change what you don't know. Let them give content and if it doesn't work, they can always go back and LIMIT your game play and go to ancient holy trinity ways. (yay for seeking for group for hours, yay for being completely dependent, yay for being utterly useless by yourself and always needing other people's time to do what you want).

Aside from the Rift thing(which I haven't played so I say nothing), I agree with the general spirit of this post.

[Chione]

It's kind of sad, really. We finally have an MMO that gives us some actual freedom in designing our character and people are so flabbergasted by the idea that they start yelling for restrictions.

My thoughts exactly.

Oh how I love you. You & I are one in the same. This current system is junk. Restrictions, please!

See. ;3

If you want restrictions, have the discipline to apply them to yourself. There's no reason you can't do this. If you don't want to use the system, don't. Only use LNC abilities on your LNC if you prefer. But don't howl because others want to make a spear user that can also nuke or who use LNC ws on their GLA because the animation looks neat. You want handicaps and limitations, there is not a thing in the world stopping you from applying them to yourself in this game.

So I don't see where the argument is really. There will always be people insisting you must play a job this certain way. At least in XIV you can tell those types to shove it and still be able to get things done the way you want to. If you really want restrictions, find a group of people who think this way and hang out with them. They were really, really easy to find in FFXI...

Oh idly, I hear /dnc is the new /nin now in some circles over there, btw. I bet that stinks for the masses who leveled up ninja subjob just so they could get in parties. Now they're gonna have to level up another job just to be cool again. You really want that kinda bullshizzle to happen here? I think I'll pass.