[Spoiler] Story inconsistency

[Anonymoose]

You two are seriously about to make me re-watch Fringe just to figure out what you're talking about. >_>

Fringe Season 2 Spoilers

In Season 2's premier, the shapeshifter from over there kills Charlie and takes off. Without warning or indication, FOX sneaked an unaired Season 1 episode into Season 2's episode line-up, and Charlie was just back and hanging around for the episode Unearthed without any explanation. It confused a lot of people, and some reviewers thought they might be trying to introduce a third universe to the mix.

[Viridiana]

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Oh. I never would have noticed, because Blu-Ray. Figures Fox would mess things up, though.

[Fenral]

Oh. I never would have noticed, because Blu-Ray. Figures Fox would mess things up, though.

Season 2, Disc 4. They made it a special feature instead of trying to fit it into the regular episode order. (I keep the BDs next to my PS3.)

Nanamo staying dead even makes me feel a little better about Moenbryda. [...] Now, seeing that meaningful characters aren't immortal and SE doesn't have to resort to the Moenbryda tactic for feelz, I feel like the incident was more like character development for the Scions - that we were an observer to their suffering.

You know me, you know my post history. Even if nothing else can ever come of it, or I can never have him back, I'll be waiting the entire expansion for Cid to say that one name. Just to give me some proof that, even briefly, he existed for someone besides me, and won't be forgotten. (He probably won't be forgotten, I'm just really bad with endings like that.)

[Cilia]

I don't think it's really a big deal. Either you completed it before Nanamo's death and accept that all 2.0 content happened before 2.5.5's events, or they'll change it in 3.0.

My money's on the former, since reworking the storyline in 2.x just to account for that one (relatively) insignificant quest is not worth the hassle.

[Starcade]

Events occur in the order in which patch they were released. So, canonically, the level 50 culinarian quest happened long before the events of 2.55.

Basically, yes.

I mean, the problem with all of this is that the moment you complete "Before the Dawn", you should not be allowed to re-enter Ul'Dah, plus they would have to make six temporary guilds in Coerthas or something to that effect.

[Bombast]

Basically, yes.

I mean, the problem with all of this is that the moment you complete "Before the Dawn", you should not be allowed to re-enter Ul'Dah, plus they would have to make six temporary guilds in Coerthas or something to that effect.

Actually, they answered this in game - Every guard you meet either doesn't believe what they're saying about you, or are so scared shitless they wont call for reinforcement. So when your visiting Mo Dhona or Ul'dah, you can get away with it because the higher ups that want your skin simply don't knows your around.

[Starcade]

Actually, they answered this in game - Every guard you meet either doesn't believe what they're saying about you, or are so scared shitless they wont call for reinforcement. So when your visiting Mo Dhona or Ul'dah, you can get away with it because the higher ups that want your skin simply don't knows your around.

Which would be grounds for their execution in such a situation. Yeah, I realize they kinda HAVE TO because of how the game works and all, but STILL...

[LineageRazor]

MMOs always suffer from these kinds of problems

But they don't HAVE to. The quest could have been rewritten/reanimated to account for the missing character. While it would be less than palatable to treat Lolorito to dinner instead of Nanamo, it would be preferable to the current system.

Folks can talk about canon timelines and sidequest timelines and whatnot however they want, and I'd be willing to accept such a thing as a compromise - however, to my knowledge, there is no indication whatsoever that the Culinarian quests are taking place in the past, or as a flashback, or whatever. You just go in, do them, and Nanamo chows down as if there was nothing out of the ordinary, and that it's perfectly normal for her to be alive.

For us, who have been playing the game for a while and remember that this stuff was added in an earlier patch, that's one thing. But for a new player joining the game, who completed the Main Scenario first (cuz apparently that's what you gotta do before you can get any use out of the Heavensward expansion), and then took up CUL, the sudden appearance of Nanamo will be confusing to say the least. If you were to read a book and something like that happened, you'd think the writer was out of his mind.

I still maintain hope that the CUL quest will be updated sometime in the near future to account for the possibility of a player doing things out of the expected order; SE has been pretty good about this kind of thing in the past, having NPCs that SHOULD recognize you actually recognize you if you've been involved with them previously, and not otherwise. I don't want the CUL quests to become a precedent that will allow for lazy writing in the future.

Bumping off a major character like Nanamo was a bold and unexpected move, and I applaud them for that, but they really need to follow through.

[Darkhaund]

I think the "explanation" is that the CUL story should have been "completed" or took time way before the final events in 2.5 but that cant always happen due to player progression in RL

[lololink]

I think the "explanation" is that the CUL story should have been "completed" or took time way before the final events in 2.5 but that cant always happen due to player progression in RL

I think they should have added a echo effect to make it feel it's not suppose to happen now.