Add a Parser that only the player can see.

[randysquirrel]

I've said before and still see no reason why it couldn't be implemented with option to turn it
1. off completely so you don't see your dps and neither does anyone else, if you're really not interested in it.
2. on, but private, so you alone can see your numbers.
3. on, public, so the party can see your numbers.

AND give pf the option to ONLY accept people that have it turned to public.
Then if you don't want to be scrutinised by your numbers, if you're still learning or for whatever reason, then that is entirely your prerogative, but you also don't have the right to sneak into a pf party and try to get carried.

genuinely interested if anyone can say why this setup would not work

[Malevicton]

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The argument I always see get brought up is that if there were public/private options then people would just demand to see your numbers or kick you. I don't feel like that argument holds up, personally, but it seems like the most common objection.

[Ossom]

The argument I always see get brought up is that if there were public/private options then people would just demand to see your numbers or kick you. I don't feel like that argument holds up, personally, but it seems like the most common objection.

Exactly.

People already parse you without knowing it.

You rather just remain ignorant to the fact that you can't reasonably play your job? I'm not talking about being average dps. But if you were pulling like 150-200dps as an ilv120 BLM or something, you wouldn't want to know?

You should expect that other people are already parsing you.

[randysquirrel]

The argument I always see get brought up is that if there were public/private options then people would just demand to see your numbers or kick you. I don't feel like that argument holds up, personally, but it seems like the most common objection.

Well the PF bit I wrote means that if you weren't set to public you wouldn't be able to join the party anyway, if they wanted only people with it set to public

Anything that could benefit from knowing your numbers (ie FCOB) already is being parsed. being a ps4 player, it's incredibly annoying that after every run I have to ask our guy what my numbers were.
I genuinely don't know of any runs where someone is not already parsing, it's just more of an inconvenience that I have to constantly ask them

[Malevicton]

You should expect that other people are already parsing you.

Yeah, I agree with you and randysquirrel; I've brought up almost that exact argument multiple times, but people don't wanna hear it. Just because the pf description doesn't explicitly state "350 dps or kick" doesn't mean that they won't kick you for doing under 350. They just won't tell you in chat why they're kicking you :P

I don't feel like most of the harassment-based arguments hold up either. The effective difference between "Your dps is garbage scrub gtfo" and "Your dps is 97 scrub gtfo" is purely semantic. Some people will be rude regardless.

And it's also pretty suck for ps4 players. Sorry guys.

[randysquirrel]

Why would anyone want to join a coil party and have their numbers hidden (not that they can, with the parsers that already exist)? The only reason I can think of is because their numbers are low, they know they're low, and they're blindly hoping not to be discovered and that the rest of the party will carry them through

[Spoekes]

Exactly.

People already parse you without knowing it.

You rather just remain ignorant to the fact that you can't reasonably play your job? I'm not talking about being average dps. But if you were pulling like 150-200dps as an ilv120 BLM or something, you wouldn't want to know?

You should expect that other people are already parsing you.

Exactly this.
Like I said before, if the parser was in the game itself SE would have full control over what is shown and where.
With the current status quo you get parsed, everywhere whenever someone has the program running.
The only reason for them not to do it seems to be that they are not willing to spend resources on it.

[Jandor]

I read somewhere that 3.1 might be adding a basic damage "training hall" with dummies that will give DPS readouts.

[RissotoMissoto]

The only reason I like this idea is this -
Current parser programs are inaccurate about calculating DoT damage so I'm never sure just how true my summoner numbers are coming out. Presumably an internal parser would read different Data and be able to calculate a more accurate DPS with DoTs.

[Malevicton]

The only reason I like this idea is this -
Current parser programs are inaccurate about calculating DoT damage so I'm never sure just how true my summoner numbers are coming out. Presumably an internal parser would read different Data and be able to calculate a more accurate DPS with DoTs.

I could be wrong, but I think the DoT damage is inaccurate because the combat log doesn't track it after the initial damage, not because the parsers choose not to read it (or read it incorrectly). Doesn't really matter who reads the data if the data just doesn't exist.

It was either that or the log not accounting for crits. I'm not sure, but I remember back when the parser discussions were still young that people were claiming DoT inconsistency as a combat log issue.

If I'm right (which, again, I may not be) then 3rd party programs would work just as well as an internal one if SE just updated how the log registers DoTs.