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    Averax's Avatar
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    Ven Black
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    Coeurl
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    Black Mage Lv 100

    Inter-class/job weapon glamouring. (a concept)

    Before I get started, i would like to state that i know how tricky this would be to put in, and that i just really wanted to throw this idea out there.

    With classes/jobs we get locked in to 1 or 2 weapon types, which is due to the unique armory system we've got. What i suggest today is the ability to glamour weapons from other jobs/classes (Relics excluded) onto a class/job that usually doesn't have the ability to use it.

    For example, a BLM wielding a staff that is glamoured to look like a book.

    For DoM classes, this is relatively easy, since their weapons are not what they use to attack. However, when we get to DoW classes, it gets more difficult, because DoW classes directly use their weapons to fight.

    So i've made this chart, displaying what could possibly be mixed/matched between them (this includes heavensward jobs)

    Archer<->Machinist
    Marauder<-> Dark Knight
    Dragoon->Paladin (a spear and board tank)
    Dragoon (possibly)<->Marauder
    Ninja<->Paladin (If you can get behind the idea of paladins having a dagger, or a ninja having a sword)
    Monk<-ninja (monks could still punch people, but while holding daggers or something)

    And that's all i could think of for DoW at the moment.

    Again, DoM are completely interchangeable without much difficulty.

    And, just incase anyone forgot, Glamouring is the act of projecting the shape and appearance of one object onto another, while still actually wielding the original item.

    I do wish to flesh out this idea some other time, but i just really wanted to throw it out there. Tell me what y'all think about it.
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    Morrigan Mieaux
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    Arcanist Lv 60
    I'm pretty sure that would go completely against the 'glamour should not alter the distinctive look of each class' reasoning we'd been given in the past.
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    Chibilidawg's Avatar
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    Conleth Cirino
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    Arcanist Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Ramien View Post
    I'm pretty sure that would go completely against the 'glamour should not alter the distinctive look of each class' reasoning we'd been given in the past.
    Which' poor reasoning because tanks can look like cloth-wearers.

    Not only that, whether I change Jobs or not, I'm still the same person & should be able to handle myself in heavier armor across all Jobs if I have a tank raised.
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    Kyoko Soryu
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    I don't know if you've ever seen MAR/WAR animations but they would look exceptionally stupid executed with a spear, vice versa for Goons.
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    Thanatos Ravensweald
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    I want to be able to use Mauls/Hammers as a Warrior, and Maces/Light hammers as a Paladin.
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    Enkidoh Roux
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    Balmung
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Nektulos-Tuor View Post
    I want to be able to use Mauls/Hammers as a Warrior, and Maces/Light hammers as a Paladin.
    Won't happen - besides the obvious restriction that your class is identified by your weapon or tool - hammers in FFXIV are tools used by BSM and are not weapons. MRD and it's WAR upgrade use two-handed great axes. GLA and it's PLD upgrade use a single handed sword and shield. If you're hoping for multiple weapon types on the one class like FFXI had, you'll be disappointed. The Armoury System simply does not allow that I'm sorry to say, even with glamours.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Doranaux Wavemet
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    Quote Originally Posted by Enkidoh View Post
    If you're hoping for multiple weapon types on the one class like FFXI had, you'll be disappointed. The Armoury System simply does not allow that I'm sorry to say, even with glamours.
    The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.

    But even if this wasn't the case statements like "I want to wield maces as a Paladin" carry the obvious implications that the speaker wants something different than already exists.

    It's like if I said "I want pizza" and your answer would be "But there is no pizza in this room". You might be right, but the statement was implying that we should go get pizza. Yes, the armory system doesn't currently allow Paladins to have maces, but that doesn't mean that can't be changed.
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    A true paladin... will sheathe his sword.

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    Sylkis Tea
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    Sophia
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    Scholar Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.

    But even if this wasn't the case statements like "I want to wield maces as a Paladin" carry the obvious implications that the speaker wants something different than already exists.

    It's like if I said "I want pizza" and your answer would be "But there is no pizza in this room". You might be right, but the statement was implying that we should go get pizza. Yes, the armory system doesn't currently allow Paladins to have maces, but that doesn't mean that can't be changed.
    In other words, this thread is asking for additional weapon types per job.

    Thinking about it, it's pretty much the same thing because it is unlikely that they will make different weapon types have an effect in combat.
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    Skadi Felis
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    Ragnarok
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    Pugilist Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by WellFooled View Post
    The armory system already handles this exact concept with black and white mages, who are able to wield two handed staves and also wands with shields. It clearly isn't impossible for one job to use more than one type of weapon.
    Maybe in 1.0, but in ARR there is only the "one-hand staff with shield" animation, even while wearing a two-hand staff.

    The idea of the OP go against the "weapon decide the class" philosophy the armory system have since 1.0. New weapon types would come with new classes or new jobs.
    We have to see the character as one unity. You pick up a pan and you are a culinarian, because you start to cook something. You pick up a bow and you are an archer, because you start to shoot with arrows. An archer who fight with a lance is not an archer, he is a lancer in this moment.
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    Last edited by Felis; 04-23-2015 at 10:34 PM.

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    Adualion Aelstrom
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    Excalibur
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    Samurai Lv 80
    I want to make my fist weapons invisible, so it looks like I am attacking with my bear hands. Let's make it happen SE.
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