Healers forever gimped

[Feylie]

Because according to idiots, collectively you're all worthless regardless of job choice. Even though one of them is a joke post, you know this crap is gonna happen the moment Heavensward drops.

STAAAAAAAAAAAAHP

[Raminax]

Judging by how the first thread has evolved, all three threads are jokes by now anyway.

[DarkmoonVael]

One was serious, 2 were joke threads. Its amazing how the tanks and dps get along well on their repected forums, yet the healers seem to want to fight like cats and dogs here.

[Lyzern]

Hey look, I'm there!

[HexWeaver]

Its amazing how the tanks and dps get along well on their repected forum

BLM and SMN would like a word with you.

[Velox]

I don't think it's about fighting amongst each other, but more about how WHM is just a healer who has the tightest MP restriction in the game and SCH is a jack-of-all-trades yet still has just enough healing power to solo-heal the entire game (a case of "if A and B can do X equally, why does A have more unequal dependencies than B). This is why many people feel WHM needs a revamp. It has the pros of raw heal strength and 1 passive party buff, but has many cons like no scaling MP recovery, no burst MP recovery, no active party buffs, limited enemy debuff, no ability to have heals ignore cleric stance, no heals that ignore enemy buffs, no instant heals, limited mitigation, no excess MP to cover for party mistakes.

Ideally the number of pros and cons should be equal for both jobs (but should be in different areas), but since the number of SCH pros outweigh the number of WHM pros, it makes WHM an "inferior" job (not inferior in ability, but inferior in design).

[YukariOro]

I don't think it's about fighting amongst each other, but more about how WHM is just a healer who has the tightest MP restriction in the game

I do WHM and SCH both, tho I prefer SCH. Because I'm pretty well geared, I moved all my points in WHM to Piety, on the advice of a friend, and honestly, have never looked back. His point was that you only shorten your cure potency by about 200hp (very minor difference in heal strength in my book) if you put all your points in Piety. So I decided to test his theory, and found he was right in practice. Even with all my points in Peity, I have no issues keeping people healed, and even fewer MP issues. A lot of WHMs seem stuck on Mind only for their stats, which limits their MP majorly. I can understand this if they're undergeared and want to boost their heals. But if you're overgeared for most content except perhaps expert roulette dungeons, which I am on my WHM, then all points in Piety works just fine.

[Cynfael]

I do WHM and SCH both, tho I prefer SCH. Because I'm pretty well geared, I moved all my points in WHM to Piety, on the advice of a friend, and honestly, have never looked back. His point was that you only shorten your cure potency by about 200hp (very minor difference in heal strength in my book) if you put all your points in Piety. So I decided to test his theory, and found he was right in practice. Even with all my points in Peity, I have no issues keeping people healed, and even fewer MP issues. A lot of WHMs seem stuck on Mind only for their stats, which limits their MP majorly. I can understand this if they're undergeared and want to boost their heals. But if you're overgeared for most content except perhaps expert roulette dungeons, which I am on my WHM, then all points in Piety works just fine.

The problem with blowing stat points on PIE is that healers have a wide selection of PIE-loaded gear, and you only need so much MP. The loss of 30 MND won't disable a good WHM, but +30 PIE on top of what's granted by gear also won't really benefit one since exceeding 5k with gear alone is easy. I'd take the bit of extra healing and DPS power over the MP bloat.

[YukariOro]

The problem with blowing stat points on PIE is that healers have a wide selection of PIE-loaded gear, and you only need so much MP.

I do understand what you're saying, and had all my points in MND prior to the discussion with my friend, who went into all the mathematics of the heal strength and all. I decided to actually test his theory in dungeon runs and put all my points in PIE. In actual practice, I've found zero to refute my friend's insistence that PIE is worth investing in on WHM and have had zero trouble with healing on WHM. And if you only have 200hp that needs healing, you're going to be getting a regen from me anyhow.

Also, if a WHM isn't good at their job, they probably either need to study up or change to another class, regardless of where their points are placed.

I must say tho, I would never recommend that someone leveling WHM to 50, put all their points in PIE, definitely not. Mind definitely is preferred when leveling WHM.

[Cynfael]

snip.

The choice is of course yours, but I'd look at it this way:

Marginal benefit of max MND (for DPS as well as heals) versus negligible benefit of excessive MP. A certain margin for safety is desirable, just as with tanks and VIT, but unspent MP is useless MP. This is why you don't see a huge PIE meta.