Why should I be excited for Grind Parties?

[Murugan]

Naked grinding = lazy development. Simple as that.

1 liners=trolling simple as that.

[Hexaemeron]

1 liners=trolling simple as that.

I don't think it's trolling at all. It's 2011. There are resources, past precedents that show that naked grinding is not popular in mainstream MMOs. Developers want more subscribers than less. Not a whole lot more than that needs to be said.

Now, if I wanted to troll, I'd tell you to be sure to worry about Y2K compliance and ask you if you're voting for Bush or Gore... if you were old enough to vote, that is.

[MicahZerrshia]

Why is anyone excited about chain xp and grinding incentives? Wowee! Bonus xp for killing 1 enemy type in X seconds or less is soooooooo much better than doing actual quests. Gosh, Let's all sit in one area killing the same thing over and over again. I realize all games have grinding, and yea sometimes it's not bad to camp out and grind out a level. But having to do it from start to finish is not ok.

How about instead of feigning excitement for this let's get some quests that are worth completing. Not a quest that sends you to some obscure location to kill 3 mobs, then return for as much xp as 1 mob gave you. Hell, I'd rather sit in one spot and kill the same thing over and over again than do that, at least then i'm getting some real xp out of the same time investment.

For those of you about to tell me "This has been talked about, use the search feature." Don't really care if this has been discussed a million times before. You know how things get fixed? You keep bringing it up and talking about it.
For those of you about to say "troll attempt 2/10" congrats on lurking in forums and offering nothing but a stale joke that's been beaten into the ground.
Also, for the diehards: please stop telling people "stfu, it's a free game. If you don't want to play don't, it's free. GWAAAAHHHHhhh!" Well I've got news for you... might be shocking... you bought the game. I bought this game at launch. I've paid money for it, so stop yelling at people that are upset about wasting their money.

I havent read all the other posts since there are way too many to read, but maybe you should try World of Warcraft, it seems to be what your looking for in an MMO experience. And they even have a character race called troll, so you would be right at home

[weeble]

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012

lololol, i'm not trolling.

ron paul says grinding is a part of mmo life, he will legalize pot so you can enjoy 16hrs straight grind and be very happy. /cheer /vote.

but either way every game has grinds, it is impossible to not add grinds, even if u don't grind it will still get repititious. they can make like 4 expansions, and on top of that like 100different mini expansions inbetween ...how many u think it will be before u get the feeling u done this before. a shooter is a shooter, difference is the maps for most part. if they remove the grind completly and just start u at max for endgames it will still all be repetitious. heck u can watch a tv show and in first season u'll see the 1-2 only special effects they will ever use in the show, no matter how long the show airs lol.

i think most like it without the grind cause that is the part they push threw then they are on easy street log in only from there schedule twice a week or 4times a week same time for a event and done. u can pay 20bucks for like gamefly service and beat a diff game every week if you dont' want to grind, i'd happily pay like 40-60bucks a month for a mmo that is fresh and has pretty much a new game added to it every month or 2.

RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!

[Seikninkuru]

RON PAUL FOR PRESIDENT 2012

lololol, i'm not trolling.

ron paul says grinding is a part of mmo life, he will legalize pot so you can enjoy 16hrs straight grind and be very happy. /cheer /vote.

but either way every game has grinds, it is impossible to not add grinds, even if u don't grind it will still get repititious. they can make like 4 expansions, and on top of that like 100different mini expansions inbetween ...how many u think it will be before u get the feeling u done this before. a shooter is a shooter, difference is the maps for most part. if they remove the grind completly and just start u at max for endgames it will still all be repetitious. heck u can watch a tv show and in first season u'll see the 1-2 only special effects they will ever use in the show, no matter how long the show airs lol.

i think most like it without the grind cause that is the part they push threw then they are on easy street log in only from there schedule twice a week or 4times a week same time for a event and done. u can pay 20bucks for like gamefly service and beat a diff game every week if you dont' want to grind, i'd happily pay like 40-60bucks a month for a mmo that is fresh and has pretty much a new game added to it every month or 2.

RON PAUL FOR PREZ!!

First, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Second, no, people don't want to push through the hard part, because grinding isn't difficult nor is it engaging. Don't give me your skill chain and exp chain bs, games have had far more interactive combat that that.

"Every game has grind" people say this, they don't even know what it means. There is a difference between sitting in front of Bric-A-Brac's and crafting 1000 ingots vs. crafting various arms and armor for quests, tasks, whatever you want for an npc, faction, whatever you want.

[weeble]

First, I don't understand what you're trying to say.

Second, no, people don't want to push through the hard part, because grinding isn't difficult nor is it engaging. Don't give me your skill chain and exp chain bs, games have had far more interactive combat that that.

"Every game has grind" people say this, they don't even know what it means. There is a difference between sitting in front of Bric-A-Brac's and crafting 1000 ingots vs. crafting various arms and armor for quests, tasks, whatever you want for an npc, faction, whatever you want.

no there is not a difference in it, u'r still repeating the quests over and over, and if your real thought process is, quests instead of grind will then equal doing 200hrs instead of 400hours then u just don't get that the leveling process in ffxi was actually important and they trying to keep it that way. yeah they already made it easier then ffxi but they not trying to get you to max level in a week.

i can get from 1-max level craft in like 3days in warhammer ...less if i find all the cheap mats i need quick enough. i can also go from rank 1-max class in few weeks easy, this i don't think is what ffxiv is looking for. also.

grinding can be ifficult and it can be engaging, ffxi was very engaging for a long time with it, then they started making it way easier to grind threw, rather then keep it as engaging and give less of a slop or something in exp. hell every mob can be very hard if they tried to, that still ain't the point either. the point is time playing outside of endgame cause some feel it to be the most important part. and that is just some i'm talking about, not all. obviously tons of reason from everyone, we all gotta come up with excuses to not like something these days.

also u don't understand what i'm saying cause u didn't even read the few posts above u, that is why u didn't understand also there are lots of reasons in this thread for and against ...against are all the same like 2 thoughts the hole 13pages. i want i want, don't need grind, ...then it's just a offline solo game, go play one. grind is in all mmo's it's just how long u need to do it that is the problem and like i said above i'd happily pay 60bucks a month for a mmo with no grinds and new content like a fresh vid game, but till they offer that (and u willing to pay?) then it will start to get repetitious. hell these days they making us pay for mini expansions and cosmetics and dlc's on top of it all, how much meat around the grind u think they will give u anyway?

[Seikninkuru]

no there is not a difference in it, u'r still repeating the quests over and over, and if your real thought process is, quests instead of grind will then equal doing 200hrs instead of 400hours then u just don't get that the leveling process in ffxi was actually important and they trying to keep it that way. yeah they already made it easier then ffxi but they not trying to get you to max level in a week.

i can get from 1-max level craft in like 3days in warhammer ...less if i find all the cheap mats i need quick enough. i can also go from rank 1-max class in few weeks easy, this i don't think is what ffxiv is looking for. also.

grinding can be ifficult and it can be engaging, ffxi was very engaging for a long time with it, then they started making it way easier to grind threw, rather then keep it as engaging and give less of a slop or something in exp. hell every mob can be very hard if they tried to, that still ain't the point either. the point is time playing outside of endgame cause some feel it to be the most important part. and that is just some i'm talking about, not all. obviously tons of reason from everyone, we all gotta come up with excuses to not like something these days.

also u don't understand what i'm saying cause u didn't even read the few posts above u, that is why u didn't understand also there are lots of reasons in this thread for and against ...against are all the same like 2 thoughts the hole 13pages. i want i want, don't need grind, ...then it's just a offline solo game, go play one. grind is in all mmo's it's just how long u need to do it that is the problem and like i said above i'd happily pay 60bucks a month for a mmo with no grinds and new content like a fresh vid game, but till they offer that (and u willing to pay?) then it will start to get repetitious. hell these days they making us pay for mini expansions and cosmetics and dlc's on top of it all, how much meat around the grind u think they will give u anyway?

You're incorrect on every point.

[Wolfie]

no there is not a difference in it, u'r still repeating the quests over and over, and if your real thought process is, quests instead of grind will then equal doing 200hrs instead of 400hours then u just don't get that the leveling process in ffxi was actually important and they trying to keep it that way. yeah they already made it easier then ffxi but they not trying to get you to max level in a week.

Quests, dungeons, leves, etc. give the devs an opportunity to throw different kinds of challenges at players, as well as actual game content and lore. Naked grinding offers nothing that can't be replicated in questing, dungeoneering, etc.

i can get from 1-max level craft in like 3days in warhammer ...less if i find all the cheap mats i need quick enough. i can also go from rank 1-max class in few weeks easy, this i don't think is what ffxiv is looking for. also.

grinding can be ifficult and it can be engaging, ffxi was very engaging for a long time with it, then they started making it way easier to grind threw, rather then keep it as engaging and give less of a slop or something in exp. hell every mob can be very hard if they tried to, that still ain't the point either. the point is time playing outside of endgame cause some feel it to be the most important part. and that is just some i'm talking about, not all. obviously tons of reason from everyone, we all gotta come up with excuses to not like something these days.

Don't take FFXI's party grinding out of context. FFXI was an exceedingly difficult game all around, not just when it came to leveling. In fact, party grinding was the easiest part of FFXI, barring a few starter quests and missions. Everything else was exponentially more difficult than partying it up and knocking out a few crabs and beetles.

also u don't understand what i'm saying cause u didn't even read the few posts above u, that is why u didn't understand also there are lots of reasons in this thread for and against ...against are all the same like 2 thoughts the hole 13pages. i want i want, don't need grind, ...then it's just a offline solo game, go play one. grind is in all mmo's it's just how long u need to do it that is the problem and like i said above i'd happily pay 60bucks a month for a mmo with no grinds and new content like a fresh vid game, but till they offer that (and u willing to pay?) then it will start to get repetitious. hell these days they making us pay for mini expansions and cosmetics and dlc's on top of it all, how much meat around the grind u think they will give u anyway?

Why shouldn't they put meat around the grind? What kind of moron developer WANTS to separate leveling from the game's story progression if they can do both at once? What benefit does it offer?

[Commat]

Why shouldn't they put meat around the grind? What kind of moron developer WANTS to separate leveling from the game's story progression if they can do both at once? What benefit does it offer?

For both XI and now XIV I could never grasp this. I understand it for other MMOs but for a Final Fantasy game to revolve around grinding and have story as a small back drop is insane.

Sure, XI rewarded the grind with fantastic stories but it still was not worth it to most FF players as was apparent by its low sub count compared with FF's normal fan base.

And whats the deal with people saying other FF's had grind? for what, A few hours max? The comparative grind between 11 and 12 is so enormous that saying 12 had a grind at all is silly in comparison even if you maxed out 300 hour'd 12.

[weeble]

ff12 hat tons of time consuming hunts in it that were very fun, figuring them out and running all over the place doing them. it for sure didn't feel like a grind but ffxi and this game will have tons of these too. it won't be in any way the heart of moving up in levels, ff12 had max rank 99 though, if u wanted to hit rank 99 ...u would of had to grind to do so, cause going straight threw the content wouldn't of done it. also one boss took forever to kill, u had to literally grind it for hours at time and stop and come back over an over witch was insane. but lol u think they can add to a mmo a full final fantasy game every what 6months? they not putting them out that quick outside of mmo, and even then a month or 2 tops and even the most casual is done with it. mmo's are meant to keep u playing.

it sounds like u want to remove the repetition and "beat" the game, while there might be a beginning middle and end, all the stuff around it is the grindy crap to keep u busy threw progression. no progression = the beginning middle and "The End"