Why should I be excited for Grind Parties?

[SirOleas]

Thats actually impossible to be true, for there are group quest at each starting zone, from lvl 1-10 there are at minimum 3 group quest, not to mention lvl 10 to Cap! If you played 6 month's from everybody's perspective on this forums you should have been what lvl 60-70-80(Whatever the cap was when you played) by a month or Two. Do you know how many dungeons there are in azeroth ? More than 15 and those are divided from 1-60, there are multiple group quest for each dungeon, and each zone has a storyline that is developed by quest's etc etc. Sure there are lots and lots of quests that are just fetch and kill, but there are lots of quests that are not too.

Impossible to be true yet it is MY experience with WoW. I played the game casually, I got Warrior to 50, then I made a Death Knight, then I took the DK to 80(WoTLK) and recently to 85 just for giggles. I -did not- have to do ANYTHING with ANYONE. I chose to do those arena quests because they seemed far more interesting than kill quests. Like I said, I only ran into 5 arena quests the entire time I played.

I also said don't bother mentioning raids. Because its a non-issue since FFXIV is taking a strong raid stance as stated by Yoshi-P.

And here we are again. My questions not answered and everything else moot. Awesome. I have no idea how the dev team pulls ideas out of these forums. It's insanity.

[Viridiana]

Impossible to be true yet it is MY experience with WoW. I played the game casually, I got Warrior to 50, then I made a Death Knight, then I took the DK to 80(WoTLK) and recently to 85 just for giggles. I -did not- have to do ANYTHING with ANYONE. I chose to do those arena quests because they seemed far more interesting than kill quests. Like I said, I only ran into 5 arena quests the entire time I played.

I also said don't bother mentioning raids. Because its a non-issue since FFXIV is taking a strong raid stance as stated by Yoshi-P.

And here we are again. My questions not answered and everything else moot. Awesome. I have no idea how the dev team pulls ideas out of these forums. It's insanity.

In the defense of WoW (on these forums, lol), I wanna say a lot of what used to be group quests got changed to not be group quests anymore around the time Cata came out. I could be wrong, though.

Regardless, though, it was possible to quest solo to cap in WoW. There used to be a few points where you'd pretty much have to stop and grind out a level or so, but those vanished during WotLK. . .

[Viridiana]

RE: WoW and group quests. . .

1) Good luck finding groups to do half of those quests. Really. Odds are, unless you had a leveling partner, half of those quests sat in your journal for a good while before they got done. Don't get me wrong, I loved WoW's quest system for what it was, but, yeah. . .

2) Most of those group quests were soloable, anyway. This is especially true if you were a good player. Or a Death Knight. Or a Warlock. Or a Hunter. Or. . .

Anyways. . . back to how this relates to FFXIV. Do I think this game should switch over to quest-based leveling? No, because I don't think it'd work well in this game. On the other hand, as long as it moves along at a decent clip, I don't really care how my XP bar goes from one end to the other.

[SirOleas]

That's cool and all. I came in too late it would seem. Either way though, Grinding is still grinding no matter how you get the exp. I don't care if you camp a corner of the map and kill tons of mobs or if you waste your time running from NPC to 10 random monster and back to the NPC again for exp.

It's all a damn grind. Period.

My question again:
What kind of engaging content/battle would everyone like to enjoy to the point that it does not feel like a grind?

Everyone is hell bent on either doing quests or grinding mobs:
This does nothing for anyone (both are already in game); Lets actually come up with some damn ideas rather than dismissing everything everyone says and sniping each other with what we think are intelligent insults.

[Xenor]

I don't like quests, it should be an option for SP but I don't want that. I want dungeons designed for levelling, defence battles that gives worthwhile SP, beast tribe raids that give good SP etc. They are all coming so it's no big issue. It's a pointless argument.

And yes the Darkhold does give SP, but it's not designed for levelling. There's not enough mobs and the boss fights don't give SP.

[Synapse]

Why should I be excited for Grind Parties?

Grinding is always been part of MMORPG thing, its the primary way of leveling. eventho its tiresome most of the time, i found FFXI grind party, old skool SC party to be interesting..

those who hate grinding probably got their MMO virginity broken by WoW's talk to npc A, talk to npc B, talk to npc A *10,000exp*!!!

Go do some actual work and learn your job instead of practicing NPC chatting skills.

last thing i want is:

Mage: Ah! im getting hit, Gladiator! Provoke!!
Gladiator: oh... thats what is used for!!? im sorry, i just talk to npc and atk mobs.

*im exaggerating obviously :P*

/cast utsusemi.

[TonyMontana]

Grinding is always been part of MMORPG thing, its the primary way of leveling. eventho its tiresome most of the time, i found FFXI grind party, old skool SC party to be interesting..

those who hate grinding probably got their MMO virginity broken by WoW's talk to npc A, talk to npc B, talk to npc A *10,000exp*!!!

Go do some actual work and learn your job instead of practicing NPC chatting skills.

last thing i want is:

Mage: Ah! im getting hit, Gladiator! Provoke!!
Gladiator: oh... thats what is used for!!? im sorry, i just talk to npc and atk mobs.

*im exaggerating obviously :P*

/cast utsusemi.

FFXIV is the game that actually has a mini game that lets you progress through the storyline doing this not wow.

[weeble]

no grinds in mmo's = shorter life span per player in game?

players only lasting a year or 2 in mmo's = game companies going lets just make them to last that long?

then we got tons of crappy mmo's like we do now that are all copy and paste or mmo's that feed u the same stuff over and over in them ...with a twist lol. right?

how many more failed mmo's will it take b4 they seriously go planned obsolescence on a mofo video game lol. might be way off or jumping the gun but ...ehhh i not play a mmo since ffxi for more then a year.

[Aydum]

To me it looks like people are taking more time to argue then to explain what they want to say lol.

Now I haven't played FFXIV for any good amount of time... can't really run it lol and i'm picky so I refuse to lower the graphics lol but thats not the point. The point though is that they are implementing quest and storyline quests and more and more quests to do in order to level up with. I don't know if you have read the future update list and the letters but what I got from them is that they want to incorporate both leveling types. They are focusing on grinding at the moment cause thats what people are asking for(I would assume mostly the veteran FFXI players who like I kinda enjoy that system.)

Also like I said they are implementing new quests that you can do while leveling so its not a total bore. Like in FFXI, you could start doing different content the higher level you got, like Promyvion at lvl 30 ish. You are not forced to level level level. Pick a different class or level a craft. Also just be patient. I don't know if you noticed but the game has essentially gone back into beta lol so they still working out the kinks.

[Hexaemeron]

Naked grinding = lazy development. Simple as that.