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[Lienn]

Ya this is a very bad community IMO. But this is in part because we have a very small "real" FFXIV community right now...most of the playerbase migrated from other MMOs in bands and ended subduing the original FFXIV community. So the less that matters right now here is the FFXIV...its all about FFXI vs WoW vs Rift vs any other MMO. In the end we got a clah of multiple MMO communities here and who paid for this is the FFXIV itself.

[Nel_Celestine]

There are a lot of changes I do like Murugan. Just not all of them. I like the AA feature, just needs to be tweeked a bit to balance things out. Dungeons are the same way. The developers want feedback and ideas and debating our points (both sides) and let them choose what they think is best. I may not always agree (like the armory change) but in the end if it was the other way around others would fight just as passionately for something they love but I would at least give them the respect for their choices.

I said I'm sad about the uniqueness being lost because a lot of the original ideas are being replaced with "industry standard". There is nothing /wrong/ with tried and true methods. There is however, when new ideas that can be great if they are implanted properly and fine tuned to fit game play. If they don't work the first time, stepping back and looking how to fix the system would be better then just scrapping the whole thing to once again go back to "industry standard". When innovation is welcomed and well received it becomes the new "standard" but we can't have that without trying new things.

But, as you've now said, you've blocked me. So, posting this to you is moot. I just hope others will read this and understand the other side of the fence.

[Murugan]

There are a lot of changes I do like Murugan. Just not all of them. I like the AA feature, just needs to be tweeked a bit to balance things out. Dungeons are the same way. The developers want feedback and ideas and debating our points (both sides) and let them choose what they think is best. I may not always agree (like the armory change) but in the end if it was the other way around others would fight just as passionately for something they love but I would at least give them the respect for their choices.

I said I'm sad about the uniqueness being lost because a lot of the original ideas are being replaced with "industry standard". There is nothing /wrong/ with tried and true methods. There is however, when new ideas that can be great if they are implanted properly and fine tuned to fit game play. If they don't work the first time, stepping back and looking how to fix the system would be better then just scrapping the whole thing to once again go back to "industry standard". When innovation is welcomed and well received it becomes the new "standard" but we can't have that without trying new things.

But, as you've now said, you've blocked me. So, posting this to you is moot. I just hope others will read this and understand the other side of the fence.

It's not about liking all of the changes, this is a discussion forum it is there to discuss things like that. I take issue with your incessant and rudely dismissive attacks on anyone who enjoyed XI as trying to "hijack the game" and make it into FFXI-2, while you do the same thing with features from other MMO's you hold up.

I like grind parties with XP chains, I like skill chains, I like large scale end game, I think there were a lot of things from XI that were great. I want FFXIV to build upon those ideals because they are representative of the type of MMO I enjoy as opposed to your modern MMO which I feel discourages things like cooperative play and complexity in favor of simplicity and anti-socials.

FFXIV's linking system based on party strength sounds like something which is both innovative and builds upon something I like. I think the Armory system is innovative and builds upon the sub job system from FFXI, however I think it's implementation has caused big problems with balance and has led to lackluster ability/class diversity as a result, so I look forward to seeing how they are going to change this.

I may not like it, but because they haven't actually said what they are changing I'm willing to wait and see. I like the aims of the job system though because I think this game could use more specialized roles in parties and that this would only enhance gameplay. But again I'll have to see how they implement before I can actually judge it.

[Nel_Celestine]

Murugan, well then seems like we started off on the wrong foot. It's nice to meet another like minded and passionate individual in this forum. ~offers handshake~

[Coldfire]

I'd say devs should get the bugs out of the game (or what the community considers bugs) and we can afterwards compare this game to others. 'Cause then (in like 2 years at this rate :S) there will be completely different games out there.
And yes the community is... well I wouldn't call it bad... more like angry. Lots of the mad users just don't want or can't keep it on a professional level. If you can't log in or your game crashes every time you're halfway in a leve you get angry and want to complain. That's human nature.
I really don't mind that kind of user. Imho the real problem is the guys that blandish the issues those people have or even make fun of them. I consider them spam and love it when mods remove their posts. But sometimes the mods go way too far and delete whole threads (not only marked as deleted but also completely removed sometimes). Don't like that... this ain't China
tl;dr
- complaints about game okay
- complaining about complaints not okay and a waste of everyone's time