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    Extreme price difference between female and male vanity gear

    I noticed the prices on some vanity gear is way more expensive for the female version vs the male version of the same gear.

    For example on my server Sargatanas
    Female - Coronal Summer Halter is 1,600,000 gil
    Male - Ti Leaf Lei - 80,000 gil

    Its the same piece of vanity gear except the female version is 20x more expensive vs the male version. Almost every piece of vanity gear that has a male and a female version the female version is always way more expensive.

    Can't something be done like having 1 item if it is sellable so the gender of your character doesn't change the price. The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.
    Well, this along with the fact that female models make better...well... models than the guy ones. But seeing this is user selling to other users, there's nothing that can really be done with this.
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    Supply vs. Demand

    The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.

    Seeing as the reverse is said often enough on these forums: if you don't like it, play as a dude.
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    What about the sales history on the items? I'm willing to bet that there are a lot more sales of the female vanity gear than the male vanity gear for a lot of the items.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Supply vs. Demand

    The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.

    Seeing as the reverse is said often enough on these forums: if you don't like it, play as a dude.
    It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    Can't something be done like having 1 item if it is sellable so the gender of your character doesn't change the price. The only reason vanity gear is so much more expensive is because more people with like to dress up their female characters vs their male ones.
    I don't wanna be rude here, but this ridiculous. As someone who gathers crafts and SBs to make money and constantly is looking at the MB to see what sells and what doesn't, this is just a bad suggestion, censoring the Market Board is just ridiculous at best. You're showing no understanding/thought for crafters/gatherers. If you want it so bad, pay up. Things like this cost a lot of money to get and a lot of investment goes into them.

    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.
    What? And lower th CUL desynth items to half? Please, stop.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    It is like I said in the original post they can have 1 item for both genders instead of having one male and one female specific. The item i posted is almost the exact same thing for each gender. That way its the same price for everyone.
    The Ti Leaf Lei is a terrible item to use for a price comparison, because it's hideous and thus in extra-low demand. If I wanted it, I'd rather pay the price the male version is worth, than the much higher price of the female variant.

    I understand your frustration, but try checking out how much the South Seas Talisman (or the Coeurl Talisman) goes relative to the female version if you want to properly examine price differences.

    Then again, it's a change that benefits female PCs to the detriment of males, so I'm sure we can expect the dev response to be "we'll consider it."
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    Quote Originally Posted by Fenral View Post
    Supply vs. Demand

    The rate of acquisition is (roughly) the same for both the male and female versions, but there's more demand for the female version, ergo the price is higher. Just basic economics, and nothing in need of developer intervention.
    If the male and female versions are created using the same skill with the same materials (or equally-scarce materials) what should actually happen is more people will produce female outfits and less people will produce male outfits, making their prices roughly* similar at equilibrium.

    The market isn't dumb, it doesn't go "<girl outfit> is worth 2x <boy outfit>, i'll produce a perfectly equal amount of both with my fleece and silk and lightning crystals," suppliers are going to go "oh, <boy outfit> is worth less, i'll produce less of that and more of the other thing to maximize my profits"

    the real reasons for extremely inflated female outfits would either be:
    -the materials or labor required is asymmetrical, ie; materials for the girl outfit are separate from the materials for the boy outfit and therefore leave the market faster
    -there isn't enough skilled labor in the world to meet the demand for girl outfits
    -the market being manipulated by an outside force, such as an extremely wealthy relister

    *obviously, you an expect markups for the in demand item as best befits profit, but nothing as extreme as 200%
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    Last edited by Krr; 04-10-2015 at 03:29 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Lyzern View Post
    I don't wanna be rude here, but this ridiculous. As someone who gathers crafts and SBs to make money and constantly is looking at the MB to see what sells and what doesn't, this is just a bad suggestion, censoring the Market Board is just ridiculous at best. You're showing no understanding/thought for crafters/gatherers. If you want it so bad, pay up. Things like this cost a lot of money to get and a lot of investment goes into them.



    What? And lower th CUL desynth items to half? Please, stop.
    You do realize when you desynth the fish this comes from when you get the male version you get very little gil, but if you get the female one which comes from the same fish you hit the jackpot. Now then if it was the same piece of gear for both sexes make a more even amount of money.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Zumi View Post
    You do realize...
    Sorry, but I don't think you're legally allowed to say these words on this thread. Your suggestion was to censor the Market Board. Make it impossible to sell X item lower or higher because of Y's price. I don't think you realize the effect this would have on gatherers and crafters.

    Now, this second suggestion of yours isn't as bad, but it's still pretty silly, because again, CUL Desynth would have fewer recipes and it would lower the prices. Do you want that? Well, of course you do! You can't pay the item you want. But I don't, most crafters don't. And if you're not a Fisher, then you shouldn't ask for changes on the classes you don't play.
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    Everything is bearable with music

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