Rage Quit Ettiquite

[Pavise]

I don't rage quit, my gold fish just conveniently catches on fire when the group I'm in is making me rage.

[Kerwin]

LOL OP seems sour.

[Cirgellon]

If everyone else is still trying to run it, you are the only one with a problem. Again, it's not on the other players to get you around a penalty that was put in by the developers. If you find people who will, great. If they won't, too bad. If you are getting upset at them for this, or complaining about the other players, you are the one who is wrong.

If you have a problem with the penalty, your problem is with the developers.

[Eidolon]

So back when there was no penalty, does that mean there was not a problem at all, and that people only had a problem with the developers? That's a very weak arguement if so. I aknowledge that both ways have their issues, and likewise - I want to see both parties taken care of in their own way.

Giving people the ability to leave after investing a certain amount of time in combat to me is far more reasonable than the current system. Where before you had veteran players taking advantage of newer players by leaving the moment the duty started, you now have the veteran players being taken advantage of by being held hostage by weaker players.

Neither way is good. And that point, it's pick your own poison.

But if they made it so you could freely withdraw after having put in time, I'd see no problem with it. It would allow people to freely leave if they've invested the effort to clear, and it would still prevent those who easily leave. When you're invested in something, the time goes by a -lot- faster.

[DoctorPepper]

If everyone else is still trying to run it, you are the only one with a problem. Again, it's not on the other players to get you around a penalty that was put in by the developers. If you find people who will, great. If they won't, too bad. If you are getting upset at them for this, or complaining about the other players, you are the one who is wrong.

If you have a problem with the penalty, your problem is with the developers.

Regardless of who you want to blame it doesn't even matter.

Bottom line is that if you don't kick people who want to leave they will afk or fake dc and that is not a punishable offense unless they're being excessively rude in chat. There is no way to prove somebody didn't legitimately need to go afk or that they didn't actually disconnect and it will never be punishable for that reason. Even if they threatened to do it in chat they could simply call it a bluff and then say that they actually had to go afk or disconnected, try and prove without a doubt that they didn't.

Nobody is forcing you to stop wasting your own/parties time so continue doing it if you want. I'm pretty sure the penalty was put into place to try and prevent people who join a DF group and then immediately leave when it's not the duty they wanted. Not to penalize people who gave it a good try before deciding they no longer wanted to waste their time.

Really though, the sooner you get rid of the person who doesn't want to be there, the sooner you can continue practicing. I don't know what else to say to try and get it through that you're only hurting yourself by trying to punish people regardless of the reasoning.

Makes no sense to me that people are too impatient to wait 5 minutes or less for a rep to join in progress but they're perfectly ok with waiting an additional 5+ minutes trying to punish somebody for wanting to leave.

[Cirgellon]

Regardless of who you want to blame it doesn't even matter.

Bottom line is that if you don't kick people who want to leave they will afk or fake dc and that is not a punishable offense unless they're being excessively rude in chat. There is no way to prove somebody didn't legitimately need to go afk or that they didn't actually disconnect and it will never be punishable for that reason. Even if they threatened to do it in chat they could simply call it a bluff and then say that they actually had to go afk or disconnected, try and prove without a doubt that they didn't.

Nobody is forcing you to stop wasting your own/parties time so continue doing it if

Or.... you could stop acting like a two year old and just leave. If you are going to waste that time, why are you so worried about a penalty? Why are you trying to "punish" others just because you are impatient and immature?

[Eidolon]

Or.... you could stop acting like a two year old and just leave. If you are going to waste that time, why are you so worried about a penalty? Why are you trying to "punish" others just because you are impatient and immature?

I dislike these insults being thrown around about differences in playstyle.

"You're a baby because you won't just leave the duty and eat a 30 minute penalty!"
"You're a baby because you won't kick me after I asked nicely!"

Basically both sides scream at eachother and hurl as many insults as they want. But as others have said, I do think there is a problem with each side.

When someone is rude, and just says "Yuo guys suck, kick me or I'll go afk" then I can see you going on this vindictive crusade of 'justice.' That makes sense, if you choose to hamstring yourself with someone who doesn't want to be there because you believe they should be 'punished' even if you punish yourself. That's fine with me.

But does it make you any better when someone says "Hey guys, I don't think (I can keep doing this)/(We're going to succeed)/(I need to go do something else with friends in game that requires the duty finder), would you mind kicking me?" and your answer is "NO YOU SHOULDN'T OF QUE'D UNLESS YOU WERE READY TO STAY WITH US THE WHOLE TIME."

Both sides come off as petulant children when they try and force the other to their will. And both make themselves no better than the other when they respond in kind, in my eye.

[DoctorPepper]

Or.... you could stop acting like a two year old and just leave. If you are going to waste that time, why are you so worried about a penalty? Why are you trying to "punish" others just because you are impatient and immature?

lol I love the irony in this post.

Calling people who don't just leave a baby while continuing to be a baby yourself by not just kicking them definitely makes you the bigger person right?

I'm glad I'm not on either side of that equation, guess that makes me an adult.

Funny thing is, I've been through tons of terrible parties/raids. And usually things smooth out after the first couple of rage quitters leave. Interesting that.

Exactly, so why not just kick them when they ask and get it over with sooner. People think that they're upholding some kind of principal or punishing people by not kicking them but really you're just giving them the negative attention they long for and wasting your own time. They're going to dc or afk anyways, so just be the bigger person and kick them out, you can't enforce a rule that has multiple workarounds without hurting yourself in the process.

[SalemP]

Exactly, so why not just kick them when they ask and get it over with sooner. People think that they're upholding some kind of principal or punishing people by not kicking them but really you're just giving them the negative attention they long for and wasting your own time. They're going to dc or afk anyways, so just be the bigger person and kick them out, you can't enforce a rule that has multiple workarounds without hurting yourself in the process.

It's rare that I've had someone purposely go afk or troll or w/e to force people's hand in vote kicking them (maybe I'm lucky?). It's also rare that I've been asked to vote kick someone (also lucky?). I'm not enforcing a rule or forcing anyone to do anything. I'm not stopping them from leaving. Why should I waste my vote kick on them? The responsibility is on that person if they want to leave, not anyone else.

[Cirgellon]

lol I love the irony in this post.

Calling people who don't just leave a baby while continuing to be a baby yourself by not just kicking them definitely makes you the bigger person right?

I'm glad I'm not on either side of that equation, guess that makes me an adult.



Exactly, so why not just kick them when they ask and get it over with sooner. People think that they're upholding some kind of principal or punishing people by not kicking them but really you're just giving them the negative attention they long for and wasting your own time. They're going to dc or afk anyways, so just be the bigger person and kick them out, you can't enforce a rule that has multiple workarounds without hurting yourself in the process.

They don't have to leave. If they want to leave, they can. Trying to make that someone elses responsibility makes them a child... You can defend that behavior all you want. It wont change this fact. Why would anyone want to encourage their behavior by giving into these childish demands?

Your response here proves that you aren't the adult... lol...

If you can'thandle the play of randoms, why not make some friends and join with preformed groups? Common sense and whatnot...