Rage Quit Ettiquite

[Selli]

Don't:
- Demand people "watch the vid." Some folks want to experience the game first-hand, not from Mr. Happy.

I can't agree with this one.

If you're in a 4-man dungeon, it's not a big deal. The fights aren't hard or long enough for it to really be an issue. And a simple explanation is really all that is needed.

But when you're doing an EX primal or Coil and someone hasn't seen a video and refuses to listen to advice, that's when it becomes a problem. Courtesy is a two way street, and if one person is holding the group back and refusing to learn because they couldn't be bothered to spend 10 minutes watching a video, then they should really expect to have other people annoyed with them.

And I'm not just talking about DF queues for these runs either, I have had people join farm parties and do this as well.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

- Demand people "watch the vid." Some folks want to experience the game first-hand, not from Mr. Happy.

That one is debatable. If you quit the fight because none of them watched a video, I don't feel it's a bad thing. They simply don't match your playstyle and you're free to go. This applies mostly in Coil, where the mechancis are key. Now, on the opposite situation, If you queue up with a group where most of them have an idea of the fight and/or have watched a video... being you the only one who didn't do it... will depend on the group's general attitude. Some people will be all down to explain stuff. Others will simply kick you.

[KyteStones]

In regards to the 30 minute penalty;

I think being respectful and asking for a kick is the best method. I think the people that "want you to stay the full time or eat a 30 minute penalty" and substantially more unreasonable than anything else. The 30 minute penalty was made to prevent abuse, but instead it is used to hold hostage anyone that doesn't want to have to put up with an hour+ of wipes on a fight that, really, is very easy.

If someone asks to be kicked, I won't try to hold them hostage if they're polite about it. Hell, I've been in the unsavory position of needing to leave a duty because my FC popped on and said "We need you for X" during my roulette.

I'm sorry I can't agree with this at all. If it is a Roulette then you're taking that risk in getting a trial you really really really don't want. If you're not doing roulette, then make your own party.

As soon as you click that join with roulette option, everything that happens from there on out was a choice made by you. This also goes the same for anything you join via the DF.

[Whiston]

I\\'m sorry I can\\'t agree with this at all. If it is a Roulette then you\\'re taking that risk in getting a trial you really really really don\\'t want.

I agree with there being a problem in joining a roulette and quitting because it isn\\'t the one you wanted. This happened a lot when trial roulette first appeared.

What I never understood was why people refuse to kick or leave a duty and hold people hostage. If someone wants to be kicked, why refuse that and keep someone who isn\\'t going to be doing anything I\\'m your party? Why continue playing with somebody you don\\'t want to play with? I\\'ve had groups refuse to kick people and claim they just want to practice/clear the fight, but refuse to acknowledge that won\\'t happen with an uncooperative party member. It is honestly baffling.

[Songi]

I have tanked Ultima Hm in df and in pf. There is no need for the tank limit break. The provoke issue yeah that's crazy that a lot of tanks don't understand its intended use. However, I do understand your frustration and at least you give people the benefit of the doubt before leaving.

Edit: As a side note I have been in groups as dps and seen Provoke used on pulls...

The thing is, in DF you're more than likely going to find players with less than 4k HP and extremely slow/scared to dash at the final set of orbs to explode them. Tank LB allows anyone including a healer to pop sprint and dash at 3 sets of orbs solo and live. Thus, eliminating the need to place more responsibility on players that have a high probability of failing the final mechanic of the fight. The Limit Break is simply wasted otherwise because the DPS check is almost nonexistent if at least 2 DPS stay alive the entire fight.

[Eidolon]

I'm sorry I can't agree with this at all. If it is a Roulette then you're taking that risk in getting a trial you really really really don't want. If you're not doing roulette, then make your own party.

As soon as you click that join with roulette option, everything that happens from there on out was a choice made by you. This also goes the same for anything you join via the DF.

I believe you're misunderstanding.

I always give it an effort for a few pulls. I do try and clear the content, even with new people, often taking a leadership role in the fights that come. This is not uncommon. But what I'm saying is that if someone puts in the effort, and they see that it will NOT Be a clear, and they feel it is not going to be a clear (As ragequitting would imply, I don't believe people ragequit "because step of faith" but I am sure there is a small minority that do) then I think politely asking for a kick is better than asking for a vote dismissal (Though if it passes, more power to them.)

I have never que'd for a roulette and not tried. That to me would be insulting. But I have asked to be kicked at points because I understand it won't work.

Most often, I hit this point after 30+ minutes of wipes to very simple mechanics. However, it's very rare because there are VERY FEW FIGHTS that those of us with good gear can't carry on.

[DoctorPepper]

Unless somebody is being rude about it I think people should get over themselves and kick the person upon request as well, especially if they've gone through several wipes already with the group. Holding people hostage gets you nowhere in the end and I think a lot of people do it simply out of sheer spite.

I've never asked to be kicked myself but I have seen numerous people get held hostage in DF groups that aren't going anywhere. In the end the person being held hostage just went afk or fake disconnected anyways and the groups wasted more time trying to force them to stay than they would have if they just kicked them. I just don't understand the mentality of holding people hostage in a DF group, it wastes every bodies time and turns you into the jackass you're trying to punish by forcing them to stay.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

You guys are overthinking this and confusing the debate of 'video watching prior to attempting content' and the topic of Rage Quitting Ettiquite.

Raging "WATCH THE DAMN VID, YOU RETARD!!" and disconnecting serves no purpose. Watching a video prior to attempting content may have a purpose. The two are not related at all.

Any kind of name calling is wrong. It doesn't matter the request, if you ask it in a polite way, it's fine. So, that shouldn't be an item, since I can make any kind of request or comment to sound rude if I start or finish my sentence just like that.

[Animarelic]

Telling someone they should eat a 30 min penalty in a 4 man dungeon is a bit selfish especially if they try to work with players who are bad at their jobs and have bad manners when offering advice which is ALWAYS MY case.

For Trials if after 20% echo no one is learning and someone asks to be kicked I see nothing wrong with it. "Be a man" is a lame saying bad players use for trying to force people to put up with them. DF is not your personal training grounds just like it's not my personal clear party but if there is an understanding between all of us I see no reason to force people to stay if they've been more than cordial or patient.

[Neuflune]

"Be a man" is a lame saying bad players use for trying to force people to put up with them.

I don't know where these responses are coming from. The TS was specifically talking about people who were rude when they were not kicked/vote abandon was rejected.

It's "man up and take the 30 minute penalty (instead of being a screaming baby because you didn't get vote kicked like you wanted)"