X-Potions of Strength Adjustment?

[ChameleonMS]

No matter how much you want to justify it, go fish instead of complain about it here.

Following your advice would not produce desired change.
Providing as much detailed information as he did, has clearly shown how blatant the disparity amongst the potions is.
He is asking for a call to action on re-balancing the game. That is good thing.

[Bloody]

It is somewhat ironic in my opinion that the most expensive (gil and/or time-consuming) potions to make are also the ones that are most used. In someways it perpetuates a stable market, with higher cost of goods and higher sale prices due to higher demand, but I do believe the OP makes a good point about the level of disparity between COG and demand/consumption not being equivalent across the board. Hopefully the next level of potions remedy this.

[zeth07]

No matter how much you want to justify it, go fish instead of complain about it here.

Just to entertain you I went and fished for some Silver Sharks so I could prepare for my raid tonight, here are the results I got before the fish decided something was amiss.

62 NQ Merlthor Goby
7 NQ Wahoo
1 HQ Wahoo (the game decided this was the perfect time for something to be amiss, thus losing out on a silver shark)
7 NQ Silver Shark
2 HQ Silver Sharks

A whopping NINE Silver Sharks for whatever amount of time that was, not counting the time I will now have to go spend getting Hammerhead sharks.

How long do you think it'll take me to get 9 Dart Frogs, Black Scorpions, or Grenade Ash? Literally seconds.

There is no way to justify it.

EDIT:

I'll add some more math for you. Each cast takes about 30 secs. So there's 70 casts that I completely wasted my time on just based on the useless fish I got. So that's 35 minutes right there. Those 8 Wahoos actually include 8 more casts for Gobies, so 4 more minutes = 39 minutes wasted. Then I actually got 9 Silver Sharks, and let's just be generous and say I got them directly from HQ Gobies and not even consider double mooch off HQ Wahoos. So that's 18 more casts = 9 more minutes.....
= 48 TOTAL MINUTES for 9 Silver Sharks

I am pretty sure I can get an entire stack of 99 of any normal gathering item like Dart Frogs / Black Scorpions / Grenade Ash in less than 48 Total Minutes. But getting 9 Silver Sharks in the same amount of time is somehow perfectly reasonable for the X-Potions of Strength.

[DenebPunkin]

You already made a very nice and thorough explanation for the very large discrepancy between the STR SX-Pots and the other ones, you then provided further evidence that utterly destroyed Highwilds odd attempt at trying say there is no problem at all.

We need to make SE aware of this as this really is a very unfair drawback for STR X-pots that non of the other X-pots have at all. Its not so much the items that are the issue, but the means, time and resources required to acquire them and STR X-pots have too many restrictions to come any where near the mass production capabilities the other potions have.

Well done.

[Highwilds]

Yes, I shouldn't have replied when I was tired and annoyed. My apologies.

Strength potions have high demand -> high prices due to items for it time consuming to get -> more difficult to be efficiently self-sufficient time wise.

That's where it comes to the game being MMO where you can't rely 100% on yourself all the time and SE has made it so on purpose. To save time, people try get everything the easiest way: If one can get money with one craft/gathering job, they make it to buy the items they don't want to spend time to get themselves. In this case the sharks. There's plenty of fishers who get their money that way because it's time consuming and they have the time where others don't. That's how the market works.

That's why I do not see the Strength potion "broken and unbalanced" but "working as intended."

[DenebPunkin]

Yes, I shouldn't have replied when I was tired and annoyed. My apologies.

Strength potions have high demand -> high prices due to items for it time consuming to get -> more difficult to be efficiently self-sufficient time wise.

That's where it comes to the game being MMO where you can't rely 100% on yourself all the time and SE has made it so on purpose. To save time, people try get everything the easiest way: If one can get money with one craft/gathering job, they make it to buy the items they don't want to spend time to get themselves. In this case the sharks. There's plenty of fishers who get their money that way because it's time consuming and they have the time where others don't. That's how the market works.

That's why I do not see the Strength potion "broken and unbalanced" but "working as intended."

OK that makes more sense and I get what you are saying.. but again the drawbacks are just unfair in regards to the STRX-Pots. They require 2 very specific and very limited resources that the others dont. Eithe make it so all Pots require a fish as an ingredient... or make them require some other item that all have the same level of difficulty.

[Neyka]

I understand why a fisher would want this to stay the same (it's a nice source of revenue for fishers), but for a melee dps, the price of x-potions of strength is prohibitive for most people.

For a dps trying to maximize their dps output, it is significantly cheaper for a caster or dex based class to use potions than it is for a strength based class, by an order of at least 7, which means that for the same cost, a melee dps pays more in a single night of raiding than other classes pay for a week of x-potions.

That said, this close to Heavensward, I seriously doubt they'll change anything, but I sure hope the next tier of potions is much more comparable in costs/time investment.

[ZephyrZ]

OK that makes more sense and I get what you are saying.. but again the drawbacks are just unfair in regards to the STRX-Pots. They require 2 very specific and very limited resources that the others dont. Eithe make it so all Pots require a fish as an ingredient... or make them require some other item that all have the same level of difficulty.

This isn't the first time I'm seeing a thread related to X-Pots of Str, square rarely, very very rarely goes back and changes recipes. In fact, I can only remember it happening once in the past in 2.2 for a single item. So while i agree that they are a pain and unfair when compared to the other X-Pots, i can't see any changes being made to them. However, that doesn't mean that there isn't hope for the future. 3.0 will more than likely bring out new level 60 XX-Pots, hopefully those have reasonable recipes and comparable difficulty to make.

There are other things; I'd rather seem them address first tho such as a
"Book of Glamors",
"Separate Inventory from Retainers for crafting mats",
"Cross server mb that has stacks, buy orders, sell orders",
"Cross server party finder groups",
"Cross server friends list",
"Cross server visitation",
"Chocobo summon that doesn't break duty queue",
"1v1 PvP mode",
"Triple triad matches anywhere in the world, not just Golden Saucer",
"Proper triple triad tournament",
"Realistic drop rates from gold packs",
"Betting on chocobo races that have npc's / pc's",
"Blitzball in Golden Saucer?",
"Better queue times",
"More thought into PvP overall",
"Not poo looking summoner pets",
"Decent voice acting and more voice over in story related content",
"Overall housing rework, such as change dimensions of a partition so it doesn't take 3-4 to make a wall, more space allowed, workable balcony door, animal herding, just overall more, a mansion should have been like a massive house with lots of farm space and herding space.",
"Dungeon ownership, FC's fight for control over dungeons. FC A owns a dungeon, time trial is run and the FC that has the fastest time gets to challenge the owner. A massive PvP 32vs32 FCvsFC slaughter ensues in that dungeon where holding objectives is key. Best of 3 match. Dungeon owner gets to tax the dungeon, say 1% of all gil earned in the month is put into the owner's chest"

but i highly doubt any of that will ever be implemented. If we do get more inventory space, chances are it's going to cost another $2 per retainer. GW2 did most of the above really well but had it's own issues as well. Massive wish list of item's that will probably never be seen.