X-Potions of Strength Adjustment?

[zeth07]

Is there any chance that X-Potions of Strength can get a crafting adjustment to NOT include Shark Oil? Looking at the other X-Potions Of individual material, they all seem to be able to get them relatively easy or in near infinite supply. Pudding Flesh being only slightly less annoying to get. But Strength requires Shark Oil, which requires a whole other craft, then getting 2 more items that are relatively "rare", with the worse being Silver Sharks. Like maybe just Hammerheads which would still make slight sense since the others use things like frogs and scorpions.

How does that make sense as is?

[elemental10]

In real life, if I know those potions include frogs and scorpions, I would steer well away from them.

[Highwilds]

How does it make any sense of what? Potions are alchemy and shark oil actually IS alchemy. Rest of the ingredients are not as they're all from gathering jobs. Them being "rare" (expensive) ingredients for you doesn't mean SE should make adjustments to it.

Fisher retainer can fetch you 3 sharks per 1 hour, which you can select either hammerheads (lv29) or silver sharks (lv 41).

[Xenosan]

It is annoying that str-xpots require a material that requires a fish only gatherable via mooch.

Like Drei said though, having a fisher retainer does alleviate the problem to a degree.

[zeth07]

How does it make any sense of what? Potions are alchemy and shark oil actually IS alchemy. Rest of the ingredients are not as they're all from gathering jobs. Them being "rare" (expensive) ingredients for you doesn't mean SE should make adjustments to it.

Fisher retainer can fetch you 3 sharks per 1 hour, which you can select either hammerheads (lv29) or silver sharks (lv 41).

I'm not even talking about it being expensive since I am as self-sufficient as possible, but that just helps my point even further. And I only have 2 retainers and *neither of them are* fisher but if what you say is true about 3 per hour even THAT helps my point MORE. *Changed my wording about retainers since it implied 1 of them could have been fisher lol.


1 Venture = 1 Hour = 30 Black Scorpions
1 Venture = 1 Hour = 30 Dart Frogs
1 Venture = 1 Hour = 15 Grenade Ash
1 Venture = 1 Hour = 10 Pudding Flesh
1 Venture = 1 Hour = 3 Silver Sharks
1 Venture = 40 Minutes = 3 Hammerhead Sharks

The X-Potions are all the same category of items, share the same functional use, and share the exact same crafting materials except those "individual" items. Without even getting into it further you can already see that X-Potions of Strength using "Shark Oil" makes no sense because it's an extra CRAFTED item that's required. So even ignoring the items, that's 5 more shards per craft that the others don't need to do.

Now lets look at the actual items involved:

- X-Potion of Dexterity = Dart Frog = Can gather an infinite supply with ease (100% rate) and minimum time spent OR can get 30 per hour from 1 Venture
- X-Potion of Intelligence = Black Scorpion = Can gather an infinite supply with ease (100% rate) and minimum time spent OR can get 30 per hour from Venture

- X-Potion of Vitality = Grenade Ash = Can gather an infinite supply with ease (100% rate) and minimum time spent OR 15 per hour from Venture

- X-Potion of Mind = Pudding Flesh = Can acquire from leves (3 each) or 10 per hour from Venture

- X-Potion of Strength = SHARK OIL = Must craft, Hammerheads can be acquired through RNG fishing or 3 per 40 minutes from 1 Venture, Silver Sharks can be acquired through even worse RNG mooch fishing or 3 per hour per venture = 2 Ventures per 1hr40m





COSTS, current MB prices:
Dart Frog = 80g per at 12 quantity, 100g per for a stack of 99 = 9,900g for 99

Black Scorpion = 400g per or 650g per for 99 = 64,350g for 99

Grenade Ash = 24g per, a lot of random prices, so 50g for 99 = 4,950g for 99

Pudding Flesh = 290g per, high quantity for 350g per so = 34,650g for 99

SHARK OIL = LOWEST 4,460g per so 99 = 441,540g for 99

Try to tell me that makes sense.





But ok lets say you don't want to buy, but you'll spend ventures. I'll round the numbers as close to 90 to make it easier.

Dart Frogs = 3 Ventures = 90
Black Scorpion = 3 Ventures = 90
Grenade Ash = 6 Ventures = 90
Pudding Flesh = 9 Ventures = 90
SHARK OIL = 60 VENTURES = 90 / 30 Ventures for Hammerheads + 30 Ventures for Silver Sharks, even if you're generous and only use ventures for Silver Sharks that's still an absurd amount above even the next highest.

How does THAT make any sense either?

[Anubis_Nephthys]

Zeth makes a good point. PLUS, there are 4 classes that use STR potions, 2 that use INT potions, 2 (counting whm) that use MIND potions, and 2 that use DEX. So, in addition to being the most expensive, they are the most sought after.

[Nomad-phx]

whats really annoying is the fact we're still using 2 star potions. biggest disappointment whenever new recipes get released is alch never getting better potions.

[Highwilds]

Be self-sufficient like you said and go fish. The RNG isn't really that bad for the sharks.

[zeth07]

Be self-sufficient like you said and go fish. The RNG isn't really that bad for the sharks.

Do not even try and give me that as reasoning. I DO go fish for my own stuff, which is entirely my point. The time spent and general actions required to GET the Shark Oil greatly outweigh the others to the point that it makes no logical sense for it to be included in the same type of recipe as the others.


Another point I'll make, Black Scorpions are used in a grand total of THREE items. Know what kind of items? Medicine. Meaning mass quantity + using multiple times. Want to know how many items use SHARK OIL? TWENTY SIX. The majority of those items are actually pieces of equipment that last basically forever, so it is reasonable for them to use Shark Oil. But for some strange reason Shark Oil is also used in the Mega and X-Potions of Strength, along with the worthless Drop items. My point here is that Shark Oil has plenty of uses elsewhere that for them to not be included in this recipe sure wouldn't be the end of the world for whatever markets are involved.

The other items used are in the 41-45 range, so even 46-50 would be ok in my opinion if it allowed for the same ease of access as the others.
46-50 Botany = Lava Toad
41-45 Hunting/Mining -> 46-50 actual Mining = Basilisk Egg
46-50 Hunting/Mining -> 46-50 actual Mining = Ogre Horn

If for whatever reason they felt that particular ingredient HAD to be a Reagent then,
46-50 Hunting = Ahriman Wing
Which would be at least less annoying to get than mooching for Silver Sharks and having to fish for Hammerheads and having to do an extra craft. At the same time it would match venture quantities with Pudding Flesh, which is reasonable as well.

[Highwilds]

No matter how much you want to justify it, go fish instead of complain about it here.