is this a common occurrence?

[Nyalia]

Not all tanks are jerks, but enough are that I rolled a tank so I could always be sure the tank wasn't one. Tanks set the pace of the dungeon. It's really their job to set the pace to one that the healer can keep up with. It's no big deal if they pull more, as long as they don't blame the healer (or the DPS) for their screwup. Wipes happen, whatever. Throwing blame around is the dumbest thing anyone can do. Blame slows down a run more than a wipe does. If someone whines that their precious time was wasted by another player, they're wasting their own precious time by whining.

Proper tank start of dungeon behavior: "Hey, <healer>, is it okay if I go fast?" If no: go slow. Otherwise: do the dungeon in normal fast paced mode. If the healer says yes, but there are new players, explain what you are doing before you do it (example, Dzamael Darkhold: "I'm pulling everything to the back corner of the big room. Don't attack it until we get there."). Also, if there are new players, explain boss mechanics that need to be explained, but not ones that don't (example, second boss of Stone Vigil: "<ranged DPS>, can you take care of cannons? When the dragon appears in front of a cannon, use the cannon asap"). There are new players if anyone says they are new, or you see the first time bonus at the start of the dungeon.

Proper new player start of dungeon behavior: "It's my first time, please go slow." (or: "It's my first time here, but I don't mind if you go fast, just tell me things I need to know." - in this case, do not attack enemies while the tank is pulling them until they stop and are clearly done moving them.)

Proper healer start of dungeon behavior: "Go as fast as you want to." or "Please pull fast." or "Please pull slow."

It annoys me when people ignore these things when people say them, and it drives me crazy when people ignore these things and then blame someone else. Seriously, how hard is it to be polite?


tl;dr: Any tank that blames the healer for anything is a bad tank. Period, end of story.

[sciondar]

As someone who has mained a tank I've never gone straight to big pulls unless the group asked me to. I don't like to assume others are on board for it and I try to minimize the stress level I'm adding for the healer. Plus I'm still working on mastering my tank so I try to keep the mobs easily manageable for myself. I know I represent a very small population of tanks but this is also the first mmo that I've been so involved in doing dungeons with.

[TheMurrkin4]

Agree with everyone else. I have a lvl 50 Warrior and Level 31 WHM. As a tank, i do everything i possibly can to make the healers job easier because as a White Mage, i can't stand static tanks who just wear damage. I really enjoy flipping Cleric's Stance on and off and DPS'in half the time, saves a lot of time on the run, but the guy you speak of is a moron. Grains of salt man.

[VanilleFang]

I wouldn't say its exactly common, but you do experience it from time to time.

I usually laugh because its usually the person who's complaining's fault for why what happened happened. Of course, I always own up to my own mistakes.

[Causality]

Tanks not getting out of Dragon's Breath is the largest cause of Wipes on Aiatar. This is having Tanked it, Healed it, Meleed it, and Range DPSed it. Farmed it for glamour gear, and leveled a Main and Two alts through it. Dragon's Breath is able to be stunned but the timing has to be on point and damned near impossible for a Paladin to time since their stun is on the GCD. It will take 1/3rd of a well geared level synced Level 50's Health. It is near 1/2 - 2/3 of an at level tank in in questing gear's health if they get hit. Repeat that over, a Level Synched Healer is struggling, and an at level healer forget it.

If a Tank dies standing in Dragon's breath over and over again, it is their fault they died.

Then there's Level 50s trying to Spirit bond gear for the Materia. Also not your fault. For example.

The last Brayflox I did a Scholar Showed up in a Full Patrician HQ set (i50 crafter set) and Crafting Accessories. I didn't check at first so I thought it was a glamour. I checked after a couple wipes and when an Adloquim Hit me (as a Monk) for Far under what I know it hits at that level. I stopped and mentioned it. He thought it was cool because of Level Sync and Selene (wasn't even trying to pull this off with Eos). He wouldn't change out the gear, finished smooth as butter with a new healer.

Remember kids. Level sync Syncs your Level first, and then it level syncs your gear separately. (If you are going to sneak a Spirit bond piece sneak in one or maybe two but Not your whole damned set!)

[cgbspender]

and the funny thing is that the difference between his items level and the dungeon level is far too large, he probably didn't even get 1% spiritbond. Not only this "spiritbonding high-lvl-items while being sync'ed in low dungeons" has been removed 4 or 5 patches ago (like a year or so), but the best to spiritbind a full i55 set would be to run an i65 dungeon. Brayflox, in that purpose, is completely useless.

[PetiteMalFleur]

"You ate aoe. The damage is not healable." That is what I tell bad tanks. I had a tank in T13 eating the large megaflare circles and dying then trying to blame me. My response? "You keep eating the megaflare circles. There's nothing I can do about that."

[AmewKitsune]

"You ate aoe. The damage is not healable." That is what I tell bad tanks. I had a tank in T13 eating the large megaflare circles and dying then trying to blame me. My response? "You keep eating the megaflare circles. There's nothing I can do about that."

Esuna can cure many things.

Stupid isn't one of them.

[Alisi]

I'm new to this game but I've played other MMOs maining as healers and I have to say that you'll be blamed irregardless of fault. The DPS rarely realize why a tank might suck (unless said tank loses hate on them.) They just see the tank dead and you're supposed to prevent that so you really need to grow a thicker skin and be honest with yourself about how you preformed. If you think to yourself that you did a bad job then think about how to improve that. If you feel you weren't at fault then let the flack roll over you. You'll be able to tell within the first pull or two if the tank is bad once you get enough experience. You don't have to feel like you have something to prove. If they want to kick you be like 'awesome! i can queue up for a decent group then while these guys wipe several more times!'

FFXIV needs to put in a 'why you died' summery thingy like in Warcraft. You can just bust it out and say 'you were standing in bad' if people complain. XD

[416to305]

I haven't read all 3 pages of this but just wanted to say don't take it too personally, people are weird like that. A couple nights ago I played with my friend, we put 2 PS4s in the living room and 2 TVs lol. I did WHM on I forget what I think Halatali or something low and he did his tank which he never plays. He was pretty bad at it taking damage non stop, and wiped a couple times. The other members were an archer/bard and maybe ninja or something melee. I was holding back on curing since it would pull aggro but had to hit it hard at some times to keep him from dying. Anyway EVERY time he would die or whatever he'd practically throw the controller freaking out about how bad the DPS are that they aren't doing their job properly and are making it super hard for him. They seemed to be fine to me, just attacking whatever targets he was. Wasn't going to get into an argument over it though so just agreed, but yeah point is a lot of people never want to accept the blame when it's their fault. I think unless the DPS is pulling or attacking a different target (he didn't have them marked) then it's kind of hard for DPS to be killing the tank.

I used to totally take it personally when the tank would die but most times I find it's due to something else. As sometimes I'll be hitting swiftcast and cure as fast as I can and it just cannot physically keep up, to the point that (when my friend died and blamed me), I knew it wasn't my fault since if he is taking damage faster than I can heal, there's no way I can really do anything differently.