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  1. #31
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    Saseal Korei
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    Astrologian Lv 70
    Quote Originally Posted by Ghishlain View Post
    Unfortunately, the best advice to give is "grow a thicker skin" (and I say that without sarcasm or malice, trust me). You're going to run into idiots who think they are God given's gift and cannot be faulted but when you disassemble their attitude, gear, and skill, they're pretty much terrible.

    Don't give up and don't let go!
    ^ This.

    A good chunk of the time, people don't want to draw attention to their own mistakes, or are blind to the facts around them - so they blame the people they depend on most... even when it's clearly their fault.


    In addition, you'll run into times where you will just have your off days, or some fights that you'll personally find more difficult on healer (my bard + Odin trial = I'm golden. My WHM + Odin trial = suddenly can't dodge for shit?) - and people will just tear into you without remorse, understanding or forgiveness. Both tanks and healers get similar treatment. Funny how both classes are the life blood and bloodied sacrifice for the party and yet often treated the worst. Just know that without you, the party - even the tank - is doomed. If they have an attitude problem, that's their fault and their problem - not yours.
    It does hurt to be attacked when you're doing everything you can, but a stone skin is needed (easier said than done, I know). Think of it as part of the challenge
    You're pretty lucky the DPS called him out, rather than just saying nothing and going with what ever flow is tossed out (like a vote kick).
    Best I've ever got was, "o.O But he's not that bad" *Suddenly kicked*

    I don't think some accessories being under-leveled is the largest problem (but then again, it's Bray.... *shudder*) you could have (not like it was left side and weapon under leveled) - so that sounds like an awkward excuse on his part. Bray NM is also twice as difficult on SCH without the ability to use Leeches. Thrice as hard with a particularly inexperienced or lazy tank.
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  2. #32
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    Bray NM is also twice as difficult on SCH without the ability to use Leeches. Thrice as hard with a particularly inexperienced or lazy tank.
    I have sympathy for the OP too, but cmon, twice or thrice... no need to resort to such exaggerations.
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  3. #33
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoekes View Post
    I have sympathy for the OP too, but cmon, twice or thrice... no need to resort to such exaggerations.
    Brayflox is a pain in the ass. - once
    No leeches - Twice
    Idiot tank - Thrice
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  4. #34
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    Yeah, got stuck somewhere between reading and thinking I guess, thx :P
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    Danielle Leclair
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    Quote Originally Posted by Saseal View Post
    Brayflox is a pain in the ass. - once
    No leeches - Twice
    Idiot tank - Thrice
    The fight is actually easier if you just ignore the poison and heal through, it doesn't do that much dmg compared to the mp cost of constant esuna. Even easier as sch since you can just /pac embrace and make eos/selene spam healing at 0 mp cost.

    Not every poison dot requires cleaning if it makes the healer run out of mp.
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  6. #36
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    Quote Originally Posted by mp-please View Post
    The fight is actually easier if you just ignore the poison and heal through, it doesn't do that much dmg compared to the mp cost of constant esuna. Even easier as sch since you can just /pac embrace and make eos/selene spam healing at 0 mp cost.

    Not every poison dot requires cleaning if it makes the healer run out of mp.
    This is assuming you're doing it wrong and clean the stacking posion buff at one stack.
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    Koromo Amae
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  8. #38
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    Quote Originally Posted by deos View Post
    That just made my morning. Thank you for that.
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  9. #39
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    Quote Originally Posted by Spoekes View Post
    This is assuming you're doing it wrong and clean the stacking posion buff at one stack.
    No, that is assuming tank doesn't dodge once lol. Debuff stacking wise, fight usually ends before the debuff bypasses overhealing capability.
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    Felicia Meracle
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    Quote Originally Posted by Nerael View Post
    People need to understand that it does not work this way. Everyone has a task and everyone should pull their weight. It is the groups' job to know the fights, it is the group which is responsible for failing, it is the group that should be having fun. It's a team effort after all.
    This, this, this, this, this.

    I don't know why it's so hard a concept for some players to grasp. While each role obviously has tasks that they're supposed to be good at, (Tanks tanking and all that) ensuring team survival is everyone's duty. Even the DPS. Having fun (because this IS a game) should be something that every person gets to experience too. Not just the DPS.

    I've recently been having runs where after all the time I've spent tanking dungeons and knowing when to throw out silence and stun moves, I find myself doing the same thing all the time whenever I play as DPS roles now. My DRG has actually been getting an impressive amount of commendations lately, due to most likely the following three things I've been doing ever since I went back to DPSing.

    1: Using Elusive Jump to cleverly get out of the way of AoEs quickly. (And drop some of my aggro)

    2: Following up with "1", I actually dodge stuff. I may have finally gotten around to really gearing up one of my DPS roles into being a monster on DPS output and I'm sporting about 6600 HP as my DRG, but I'm not going to just sit there and eat attacks yo. (For the record, all my Poetics spending went to the Tank armor and accessories first) Granted though, being only human, I may make the occasional blunder of getting by an AoE anyway.

    3: Using one of the two stun moves to prevent enemies from unleashing party wiping moves. Usually, the Tank(s) player(s) I'm working with have this covered, but sometimes an extra stun needs to get thrown out on another enemy that they didn't direct their own stun move at. (Pharos Sirius has situations like this if you pull those floating crystals and slimes all together at once) WARs in particular seem to like me backing them up on stunning. PLDs just shrug though, due to their Shield Bash skills, lol.

    And that's just what I thought up. There may be other reasons why my DRG has been getting an impressive amount of commendations lately, but I don't know what those reasons may be, lol. Regardless, long story short, it goes to show that things can and will go smoother if everyone pulls their weight. Bonus points if you own up to your own mistakes.

    Also, that HiveLeader's Guide video made my day. Thanks for posting that deos.
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