is this a common occurrence?

[Ghishlain]

Well I'm glad i had this pep talk with you all. Really helped when i got blamed again today for the team dying repeatedly in the first 2 minutes of stone vigil lol.

Brayflox is the grounds that separate the children from the adults in this game.

Stone Vigil is the grinder.

Anything you can learn about healing in Stone Vigil, use it, because it's only going to get harder from here. If you need to take a moment to reflect upon your own style and see where you can improve upon, take it, and use it for your future adventures.

[Culfinrandir]

Stone Vigil is HARD unless either the tank is fully geared (like i90+) & synced or the healer is. Even better if both are TBH. Even then, if the tank is determined to take on big pulls and you don't have someone using sleep you will probably wipe.

It's a nightmare dungeon and, like Cutter's Cry, is a bit of a shock compared to many of the previous dungeons. I've led full new players through both with success. It takes patience, knowledge & communication but is rewarding.

[giantslayer]

In regards to the OP's Brayflox run, sounds like there wasn't much you could have done and you have to not take those negatives to heart.

On a general level, I want to offer a perspective that it is important to identify every opportunity for improvement and become better, even if the wipe wasn't your fault. As a healer, you have more ability than anyone else to make the difference in a run, especially when things aren't going well. You have more power to fix other people's mistakes and salvage runs than anyone else. That is actually one of the reasons I like healing. When there is a wipe, I often think back on what more I could have done and learn from it.

Story time: Snowcloak back when it was in EX roulette. Party was a Pally, Dragoon, Ninja, and me as a Scholar. Not a good composition for ginormous pulls, but our tank didn't realize this and proceeded to pull the entire first section up to half the wolves. By the time he stopped pulling more stuff, he was already over half dead and had over a dozen mobs on him.

I stepped up with the most epic healing job I have ever done. I kept him up for over a minute. I used my cooldowns masterfully, spacing them out perfectly without a single point of wasted overhealing. Eventually, however, I ran out of gas. Tank was out of cooldowns too. I spammed Adlo desperately but I quickly realized it was not quite enough. The last 25% of the tank's health probably took a good 10 seconds or so. Some of the mobs were close to dying. Aetherflow had around 15 seconds left for cooldown. Tank went down and everyone else shortly after.

The wipe was clearly the tank's fault for doing too big of a pull, yet I have wondered if I could have saved the run. I don't believe I could have done any better for most of the fight, but in the end, I actually had 3 cooldown abilities left: Fey Covenant, Virus, and Swiftcast. FC would not have helped with all the physical damage. Virus probably was not worth the second or so it would take out of Adlo spam to cast because there were so many enemies. But Swiftcast? Had I swiftcasted an Adlo or Physick, I could have kept the tank up a little longer. Maybe long enough for a mob or two to die, shifting the tank's net HP flow out of negative. With Aetherflow coming back soon after, the battle would have tipped in our favor and we would have won.

A few months later, I found myself in a similar situation of being out of cooldowns on a big pull and needing a little more to keep the tank up. I popped Swiftcast+Adlo and we won that one.

[Shurrikhan]

I hope this isn't what healing is like, because that's the whole reason i stopped maining my tank. I hate how much blame people throw around in this game. Its very discouraging some times.

Even at level cap you will, sadly, run into the occasional tank who likes to speedrun without a single CD and blames you for not Holying/DoT-spreading for massive dps and keeping him alive at the same time. Luckily they are the minority. The other tanks who started off this way will have usually died enough at the hands of less than god-like healers to know that they're not actually invincible.

[Magusrex]

Here is the very best advice. You are in charge, you can get into groups with out much wait, do something else and eat the penalty for 30 mins. You remember the golden rule of healers. "I don't need to heal &*^%holes" buh bye

[Yukariko]

Sadly it's a pretty common experience.. When I first started really healing end game, back with the hard mode primals and WP/AK, I had to go talk to a more experienced healer from my FC and ask them if they took as much abuse as i was getting, and they said it was pretty common, it wasn't my lack of skills.
fast forward to "now" and sure as shit it still happens.
doesn;t matter how stupid the other person is, it's still all your fault.

[HBLR]

Those are Just tanks that made tanks for fast que's. If someone dies it's easy to blame the healer. I regularly encounter tanks that grab a few adds in the first pull. Then the grab a few the second pull. And then on the third pull they Aggro the first set. Stand still. I start healing. Regen etc. And then they run to the next set with regen and medica on them. When that happens. All the mobs go on YOU no matter what. We wipe. And it's my fault. It feels kinda shit if they blame you for stuff you can't control.. After such things I'll usually stop helping with dpsing.

[Nyalia]

Not all tanks are jerks, but enough are that I rolled a tank so I could always be sure the tank wasn't one. Tanks set the pace of the dungeon. It's really their job to set the pace to one that the healer can keep up with. It's no big deal if they pull more, as long as they don't blame the healer (or the DPS) for their screwup. Wipes happen, whatever. Throwing blame around is the dumbest thing anyone can do. Blame slows down a run more than a wipe does. If someone whines that their precious time was wasted by another player, they're wasting their own precious time by whining.

Proper tank start of dungeon behavior: "Hey, <healer>, is it okay if I go fast?" If no: go slow. Otherwise: do the dungeon in normal fast paced mode. If the healer says yes, but there are new players, explain what you are doing before you do it (example, Dzamael Darkhold: "I'm pulling everything to the back corner of the big room. Don't attack it until we get there."). Also, if there are new players, explain boss mechanics that need to be explained, but not ones that don't (example, second boss of Stone Vigil: "<ranged DPS>, can you take care of cannons? When the dragon appears in front of a cannon, use the cannon asap"). There are new players if anyone says they are new, or you see the first time bonus at the start of the dungeon.

Proper new player start of dungeon behavior: "It's my first time, please go slow." (or: "It's my first time here, but I don't mind if you go fast, just tell me things I need to know." - in this case, do not attack enemies while the tank is pulling them until they stop and are clearly done moving them.)

Proper healer start of dungeon behavior: "Go as fast as you want to." or "Please pull fast." or "Please pull slow."

It annoys me when people ignore these things when people say them, and it drives me crazy when people ignore these things and then blame someone else. Seriously, how hard is it to be polite?


tl;dr: Any tank that blames the healer for anything is a bad tank. Period, end of story.

[sciondar]

As someone who has mained a tank I've never gone straight to big pulls unless the group asked me to. I don't like to assume others are on board for it and I try to minimize the stress level I'm adding for the healer. Plus I'm still working on mastering my tank so I try to keep the mobs easily manageable for myself. I know I represent a very small population of tanks but this is also the first mmo that I've been so involved in doing dungeons with.

[TheMurrkin4]

Agree with everyone else. I have a lvl 50 Warrior and Level 31 WHM. As a tank, i do everything i possibly can to make the healers job easier because as a White Mage, i can't stand static tanks who just wear damage. I really enjoy flipping Cleric's Stance on and off and DPS'in half the time, saves a lot of time on the run, but the guy you speak of is a moron. Grains of salt man.