Speed run etiquette

[Ayrie]

And enforcing your morality on the internet does what, exactly?

State your intents at the beginning of the dungeon. Be firm, yet do not be confrontational.

You say you're not comfortable with a pull of x size, I am inclined to listen. You fuss, nag, and refuse to heal... You deserve every bit of the dismiss you are about to receive.

So many people get defensive and/or down right nasty when things aren't 100% the way they want (even if the results are similar). The bigest thing is: can you show you can compromise enough to get the others interested in trying to meet you half way?

[Maleha]

I get that it's annoying if they run out before buffs, but that's still a bad reason to intentionally kill your group. Just protect some time during the first pull then sc+stoneskin2 right after it.

Not saying I'll intentionally kill them. I have however let groups die when I expressively said "Please wait for mana" after I ran dry on a stressful pull and the tank ran away and pulled (This one happened in AV where scaling drastically changes my mana pool). I refuse to suicide if I know I cannot heal through a pull because I am out of mana.
And no, the job of Tanks is not to only keep mobs off the others. It's also survival. And more often than not I see tanks do huge pulls without popping a single buff, expecting the healers to pull them through. I can - don't get me wrong there - but it is immensly stressful, more than it should be when popping cooldowns is off your gcd and takes almost no effort at all. So if a tank actually asks him I now am in the habit of responding "Sure, can do speed runs, if you as tank can use cooldowns."

[ExKage]

Question: Please define speedrun?

Why? Because you mention skipping packs of mobs and chests. I don't need a full grab all the mobs and pop hallowed pull but I also don't want to just stop and go every 3 enemy pack when it's extremely inefficient for me as the healer. If the DDs can get the DPS to drop things when there's 2 packs I fully support it. I don't want to go out of my way to hit a pack of 3 mobs that are guarding a trash chest. If you want the chest with x-ether/hi-elixir, ask me before you force me to spend time killing the mobs or healing the party. If it's out of the way, clear of enemies, you go get it. Or do it after the dungeon is complete. If there's no newbie, I'm not going to go out of my way to kill mobs that aren't required to be killed to complete the dungeon. If it's a low level dungeon, will always check with everyone if they want the exp.

[Caraway]

Wait....you refuse to heal people because they don't say Hi to you?...

I know I don't give commendations to people if they don't talk. They could be the most skilled individual at their job but they're not getting a commendation if they don't at least say hello.

As to the topic at hand? I agree. It's most upsetting when you get a new player notification and the tank still bolts at the start and expects a speed run.

I'm all for speed running content if you can do it but people need to stop treating other players like indispensable NPCs.

[JimboTCB]

Seems like pretty stupid behaviour on a tank's part to start rushing and mass pulling with a random healer. I've seen too many wipes where a tryhard tank pulls half the dungeon and the healer just can't keep up because they're not ridiculously overgeared.

By all means, if the healer is keeping you up without breaking a sweat start pulling more and faster, but there's no need to go HAM straight out of the gate unless you're damn sure the healer's up to the job.

[ExiaQuanta]

-That moment when the tank DOESNT decide to speed run and healer/dps goes to mass pull for them only to see that benediction fails or lustrates arent enough.-

OT: This is probably bad but depending on dungeon, I have like a "base" HP/Gear to go off of to decide if a speedrun is possible. FE. If we are in Snowcloack and I see if any of the other three are below a certain amount of HP (Healers below 4.8khp or dps is below 5k hp in this case) for their class than its a No-Go. Job also comes into play. Do a pull and see how quick they can down the firs big pull. if too slow, might not be worth it.

[mdha02]

I just wish some of the tanks that do the pull everything up to the first lockout point would check to see what their party make up is. I don't really feel like it's a speed run when I have two melees in the group, heck even summoners. The AoE moves on these jobs take a lot of TP and hit for very little. With summoners bane only spreads to 3 other mobs. Even with Shadow Flare and Miasma 2 the dot only ticks for like 150. I feel like it takes longer when you pull all these mobs then if you fought it group by group. Not to mention the strain it puts on the healers. The fights are super drawn out. Then if you wipe it takes that much more time. And if you only killed 3 of the 12 mobs you have to start all over again. Which isn't making for a very speedy run.

[Magusrex]

THIS! So much this! I have been farming for 2 sets of Zodiac items the last few weeks so I have had plenty exposure to some really impatient people. I cannot be the only healer that meets these types of people:
"Circle goes down! Doesn't matter the healer is the last to load in, I need to run out of buffcasting range even though I see them cast, but by the time they finish I am out of range, waiting over there for them!"
Please! Someone explain that logic to me. Can people not stand still for 5 seconds so I can finish Protect and Swiftcast+Stoneskin 2?

TY ..This... I did not articulate you it as well you did

[Magusrex]

And enforcing your morality on the internet does what, exactly?

State your intents at the beginning of the dungeon. Be firm, yet do not be confrontational.

You say you're not comfortable with a pull of x size, I am inclined to listen. You fuss, nag, and refuse to heal... You deserve every bit of the dismiss you are about to receive.

So many people get defensive and/or down right nasty when things aren't 100% the way they want (even if the results are similar). The bigest thing is: can you show you can compromise enough to get the others interested in trying to meet you half way?

I have no issue with this but the people I am talking about are gone already, I am chasing them and they do not respond to chat.

[Ayrie]

I have no issue with this but the people I am talking about are gone already, I am chasing them and they do not respond to chat.

Again, be firm, do the best you can. Do NOT sit there and laugh at failure or wag fingers. You are most likely to solicit the change by them realizing you are not within your skill set and you mentioned it previously. But you have to try (compromise).

Be cheerful and persistent even if your group fails. If they kick you, fine, you did your best and they are no longer your problem.

This is just one example of how to constructively handle the problem and guide the outcome to something more favorable.