Has it always been like this or...?

[Warlyx]

im sure im going to be hated for saying that but....:

we have 2 options here....

u could wait hours to no end until the DF Finds 8 players at the same time wanting to do the dungeon as 1 timers (GL with that now), that will make ppl cry rivers at SE , i waited 3 days and didnt found a party to do castrum/praetorium ...give better rewards so ppl queue!!! ect ect

or u could queue and find a dungeon in no time....because ppl that DONT NEED anything from it, queued for some tomes , u get to finish the MSQ (no one cant force u to skip cutscenes ) and yeah u will miss all the battles ,but u can requeue later and do all the battles w/o the pressure of cutscenes

what im trying to say is that the reason u even got to see the dungeon in the 1 places was because other ppl queued for it....u can hate them all u want , but u entered to the dungeon thanks to this guys...

[Yukiko]

what im trying to say is that the reason u even got to see the dungeon in the 1 places was because other ppl queued for it....u can hate them all u want , but u entered to the dungeon thanks to this guys...

Sorry, I fail to understand why that legitims to "not wait" for him?

[Tsuga]

I used to be one of the people who just asked others to skip the cutscenes if the majority of the group was not running these dungeons for the first time, but this was when it was one of the few, and best ways to farm tomes.

I do think that SE implemented incentive incorrectly. If they were trying to encourage us to help newbies through the dungeon, they should have made it so that the cutscenes were unskippable for newbies, and the fights were only able to be initiated after all party members were out of the cutscene. Instead they gave large incentives to join the duties, and the ability to burn through that content fast so that it gave the best payout.

The way that I see it now is that there are so many options for tomes, it really is on the veteran players to try to cater to the new players at this point. If you're queuing up for main scenario roulette you should know what you're in for, and budget your time accordingly. It is separated from our dungeon roulettes for that very reason.

[CYoung187]

I think they need to up the bonus tomes and force every player to watch cutscenes. Make it so even with watching the cutscenes it is still worth people's time. Then everyone is on the same page.

[AreeyaJaidee]

Why is this so hard for some to understand?

You have two groups based on needs to be met:
- New Player: Wants to enjoy the normal pace of an instance.
- Farming Player: Wants to finish instance as quickly as possible for XYZ requirement X out of X total.

It isn't rocket science.

Solution:
The developer needs to add options which allow both parties to facilitate their personal needs.
- Add Duty Finder filter/flag to match ques based on the goal of the player queing: Enjoyment or Farm

This saves both parties the headache of wasting each others time or ruining each others time.

Most of you are still approaching this from the simplistic irrational view that one side is wrong whilst the other is right. Both sides have rights in the matter. So what can be done when you have a conflict and both sides can't or are not willing to resolve because it is a detriment to their personal need/want? Enforce a separation. To each his/her own.

Now: Some have said in response to this option that it isn't feasible/efficient codewise and that it will increase the Que times for both sides.

1) You don't know what code SE does or does not have server wise. (This functionality may actuality already be a WIP)

2) Given the increasing frequency of this issue and the threads about it:
This is ultimately what is fair for both parties that refuse to extend their farm time total or skip a cutscene (immersion compromised). In essence this is the outcome you're asking for, a separation because you can't or won't get along.

Otherwise, Use Party Finder. (Some ppl I know actually do this quite often).

Party Finder gives you the option to group with people who wish to only farm or people who wish to have complete immersion cutscene wise (RPing and all that jazz).

To state that Duty Finder is by design ONLY for either party is incorrect and to expect it to be insinuates a separation of goals needs to be enforced.

[Yukiko]

Or while someone is watching, the others can power up and make the next boss weaker, with doing something when waiting...
On normal runs you do not have tme for that or if all are skipping you do not have time for that...
You know, they are called developers because they have to "create" and not just copy paste from other MMOs

[NekokoCatseye]

Wow... I didn't mean for my post to lead to all this fighting >_>; I would just like to say thank you to those who have come forward to support me when I needed it, and especially to those who went through these dungeons with me so I could experienced them the way they were meant to be enjoyed. If anyone else ever needs someone to go through with them, don't hesitate to ask me! I'm a tank and I will happily let you watch all the cut scenes you want.

[Merryl]

Very few people watch the cut scenes... I took me several months to realize the bad guy was Cid's surrogate father figure.
After awhile I stopped caring about story.
I do not watch them at the inn nor will I ever.

They should have never given the option to skip them if they wanted people to watch I guess...

[Avenger]

This is really more the fault of developers than players.

I understand it sucks and that was my experience too. Basically the way the game is made makes you miss out the grand finale all the story is building up to and then later see bits of it in a journal. Not epic to put it mildly.

Although SE is certainly to blame for the long-ish cutscenes, the fact that they're skippable, the lack of iLvl sync (leading to overgeared players steamrolling everything) and making it possible for new players to be locked out of boss arenas, I would say that the bullying speedrunners are also to blame.

I really hope I don't become so selfish and impatient that I would want to ruin the climax of the main story for a new player who wanted to actually experience and enjoy the game narrative in context.

[Avenger]

I'm a tank and I will happily let you watch all the cut scenes you want.

This is what enabled me to watch the cutscenes - tanks and a healer from my DF party told the impatient DPS that there was absolutely nothing wrong with a new player wanting to watch cutscenes.

I would like to see more people in DF (and elsewhere) take the attitude that it's a positive thing to help new players enjoy the game in general and the FFXIV story in particular.