Has it always been like this or...?

[Seryl199]

Why queue for a main scenario quest knowing full well that the party could, and likely will, consist of one or more newbies if you don't have the patience for them? The presence of a newbie gives you a hefty bonus of soldiery, which is intended to compensate for less experienced players and offer incentive to returning veterans to help new players. Instead, players seem to view it as a reward for clearing a speed run with 7 members. OP's experience made them consider quitting the game, to me that's unacceptable behavior to come from our community. New players are vital for the continued success of the game, they are tomorrow's veterans, if only you give them a chance.

[DoctorPepper]

Why queue for a main scenario quest knowing full well that the party could, and likely will, consist of one or more newbies if you don't have the patience for them?

Duty roulette for main scenerio also gives a hefty soldiery bonus and requires that you've beat the dungeons before it even gets unlocked. There are tons of main scenerio runs that have no new players in them.

New players have two options available to them, either watch the cutscenes at their own pace and risk getting locked out of bosses or skip the cutscenes, enjoy the bosses and watch the cutscenes in the innroom afterwards.

Expecting 7 other people to spend an extra 20-30 minutes in a dungeon for 100 soldiery is a little selfish in my opinion. They could do the dungeon twice in the amount of time it takes to wait for the person watching cutscenes. At the end of the day, putting such long cutscenes in a dungeon was a mistake on SE's part and they've addressed it by not making the same mistake in content that followed.

[KayoZ]

Why queue for a main scenario quest knowing full well that the party could, and likely will, consist of one or more newbies if you don't have the patience for them? The presence of a newbie gives you a hefty bonus of soldiery, which is intended to compensate for less experienced players and offer incentive to returning veterans to help new players.

Very true. "Hey thanks for doubling the rewards we're grinding for, but we're still going to ruin the experience for you because, F-U! I dont like wasting my time while im wasting time."

Its the pinnacle of collective "jerk" syndrome in this game.

As for some of you ive read here, the majority isnt always right. There are systems in government in place to counter a flat majority rule and there is a damned good reason for it. The very same reason/principle for why SE should take a stand for their new players and put something in place for them not be screwed by a mob of self-centered brats who would deny them the same luxury they likely enjoyed when they first went through it. At least for DF, where most new players turn to for completing such content. IMO, a penalty for the bonus rewards for skipping cutscenes would be ideal. New players save you time just by showing up yet some would still capitalize on that rather than return the favor.

[Duuude007]

IMO, a penalty for the bonus rewards for skipping cutscenes would be ideal. New players save you time just by showing up yet some would still capitalize on that rather than return the favor.

You really didn't think this through, did you. If you do this, the 'majority' currently in parties will effectively cease to exist and you will be forced to queue on your own again.

Return players don't go explicitly for the new player bonus; they go for the efficient ratio of time:reward. Forceably take that away and they will find something more efficient re:better to do. Which consequentially leaves newbies in the dust to fend for themselves, like it was pre DF.

This punishes new players a great deal, simply because a fraction of people feel like their wants should be 'entitlements', superior to the desires of the rest of the group.

Which, of course, they aren't.

If you want to reliably have your way, BECOME the majority. That is all that it takes.

Watches a CS because that's how they intended it to be then my account gets banned because people who ran it 5k times get pissy.

No, this would not be the case. If the person watching cs is the one unwilling to cooperate with what the rest of the group is doing, which is in fact disruptive, then it would be a valid candidate. The question I would have is- did that person ask if they could watch cutscenes at the start? what was the agreement the party as a whole made? Who decided it was not in their best interest to be a team player?

GMs arent' stupid, they consider discussions before they determine fault.

[KayoZ]

You really didn't think this through, did you. If you do this, the 'majority' currently in parties will effectively cease to exist and you will be forced to queue on your own again.

So youre saying you queue up DF solely to take full advantage of new players who join? Do you immediately drop group if you dont see the "1 or more players..." message? There are already more efficient ways of getting tomes according to some posts yet that hasnt stopped anyone.

Maybe youre not understanding what I meant... I said bonus reward. As in you skip or start a boss while a new player is 'viewing cutscene' you forfeit benefits of having a new player join the group. As well you should forfeit it. Since you like the word so much, you are not "entitled" to the bonus rewards new players give you if all youre going to do is piss on their experience.

Regardless, rewards can be easily adjusted. They can change "efficiency" with a hot fix so...

[Duuude007]

So youre saying you queue up DF solely to take full advantage of new players who join? Do you immediately drop group if you dont see the "1 or more players..." message? There are already more efficient ways of getting tomes according to some posts yet that hasnt stopped anyone.

Again you assume it is always about tomes. People also farm it for the Gaius card. And no, I do not queue CM or Praet anymore due to how hostile new players can be. The time wasted in there doesn't make it worth my time, but I am not everybody, and stand by the point that WHOEVER agrees with the majority vote, be it story mode or speed run, is the only truly entitled segment of the party.

Maybe youre not understanding what I meant... I said bonus reward. As in you skip or start a boss while a new player is 'viewing cutscene' you forfeit benefits of having a new player join the group.

Maybe... you are not understanding what the true consequences would be... if you had your way.
So as you are inferring, every cutscene is forced upon players, even those who have seen them. How is this going to compel returning people to even consider making your queues more convenient, when the time-reward ratio is so unappetizing? The answer is, they will forfeit going at all. Indirectly punishing new players even more. With extra long queue times.

Granted, it won't affect those farming Gaius cards, so you will still have them queueing for you. And wanting speed runs. Why again are they less deserving of the experience they want? If they are the minority, great, story mode. If not, great, speed mode. Simple.

[KayoZ]

If they are the minority, great, story mode. If not, great, speed mode. Simple.

I already addressed this "majority" argument. Theyre not always right, or just, and are often times completely apathetic and hostile towards a minority. Ive pointed it out multiple times even and the hypocrisy with gladly accepting the rewards new players give yet still mistreating them. Some, for instance, expect new players to use the much less efficient PF to find story groups knowing full well itll take them much longer to find a group for that as opposed to veterans who have a much higher chance of finding farm groups (being the "majority" and all)... yet here they are, not giving a ... Their problem, right?

You speak as if veteran players care little for the added rewards new players give yet they obviously love it. When one joins the group the often even express it when the dungeon starts. I already said SE has the ability to change this efficiency by adjusting rewards to persuade players to treat others with the same respect shown to them when they first entered the dungeon and still queue up with the same frequency. It need not affect the queue times by much if adjusted correctly. You can either spend the extra 20-30 minutes letting someone watch cutscenes or come back for another 20-30 minute run for the same reward (and a bigger repair bill). Not only is this efficiency adjustable by SE (making your point irrelevant) but I doubt a simple penalty (to an already added bonus) for taking advantage of newbies will result in the hour+ long queues.

Either way im already repeating myself and wasting my post limit doing so. Not like SE will be doing anything anyway aside from the apparent removal of such cutscenes from end game content.