Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[XionAvalonArcadia]

Im sorry you really do not understand how game development works. So you are standing in Mor Dhona and you see someone run past you with some cool shiny new gear. You inspect it and notice its something from the new raid content, something you desire. No one is forcing you to go and get it. Instead you "WANT" it. You want to clear it, either you work for it or wait for it to be nerfed. Those who work for it have a stronger desire than those who wait for it to be nerfed. Its how you get loot desire into the game. They never released an unbeatable fight. If its a matter of adding more and more to a fight, get over it. That is how content progression works. Sometimes the fights get longer, its a test of endurance. Can you concentrate on a fight for X amount of time. That is progression. Wiping for hours, weeks to get your first clear. Its that moment everyone's hype level skyrockets. No one FORCED you to do the fight. it isn't REQUIRED to access Alexander. Its a challenge for those who play the game to look for just that, challenges. Yoshi is CHALLENGING you to concentrate for X period of time, work together and synergize.

[Laraul]

Im sorry you really do not understand how game development works. So you are standing in Mor Dhona and you see someone run past you with some cool shiny new gear. You inspect it and notice its something from the new raid content, something you desire. No one is forcing you to go and get it. Instead you "WANT" it. You want to clear it, either you work for it or wait for it to be nerfed. Those who work for it have a stronger desire than those who wait for it to be nerfed. Its how you get loot desire into the game. They never released an unbeatable fight. If its a matter of adding more and more to a fight, get over it. That is how content progression works. Sometimes the fights get longer, its a test of endurance. Can you concentrate on a fight for X amount of time. That is progression. Wiping for hours, weeks to get your first clear. Its that moment everyone's hype level skyrockets. No one FORCED you to do the fight. it isn't REQUIRED to access Alexander. Its a challenge for those who play the game to look for just that, challenges. Yoshi is CHALLENGING you to concentrate for X period of time, work together and synergize.

If you believe this, you should already have cleared or be attempting to clear Savage Coil. Just like you say, it's Yoshi's CHALLENGE that will test your endurance like no other! You'll be wiping for hours and hours. It's specifically for those whom play the game looking for a challenge. Right?

Me? I just want to clear turn 9 for to sole purpose of progressing. And I don't want to have to give up my life outside the game to do it.

[Gillionaire]

Red > Ravens Beak > Dive combo > Yellow > Lunar Dynamo > Meteor Stream > Dalamud Dive > Ravens Beak > Red > Meteor x 2 > Dalmud Dive > Ravens Beack > Yellow > Combo > Red > Ravens Beack > Lunar Dynamo > Meteor > Ravenbeak > Yellow > Meteor x2

Favor > Claw > Fire Out > Thunder/Dynamo > Fire In > Thunder > Fire out w/Iron chariot + Thunderstruck > supernova x3 (run in on 2) > T Beam > Fire in > Claw > Thunder > Divebomb(First to A, second to B) > Meteor > Divebomb > meteor > Divebomb > Dalamud Dive.


Favor > Claw > Fire Out > Thunder/Dynamo > Fire In > Thunder > Fire out w/Iron chariot + Thunderstruck > supernova x3 (run in on 2) > T Beam > Fire in > Claw > Thunder > Divebomb (First to A) > Iron Chariot > Divebomb (go to B, Save Invigorate) > Divebomb (second to B, Sprint when marker disappears and run to group) > Raven Dive (Safe to stand near) > Lunar Dynamo

I hope you're being ironic, but if you're really trying to prove a point that you have the entire fight memorized like so.. You're just helping US make the point that perhaps the fight mechanics need an overhaul

Actually the main issue with raiding in FFXIV is that classes simply don't have enough specialization tools and utility abilities.

That is true.. and imo, also part of the reason why PvP is lackluster.. Because there's not enough utility skills. Distribution of said skills is even worse which creates imbalances..

Me? I just want to clear turn 9 for to sole purpose of progressing. And I don't want to have to give up my life outside the game to do it.

Mmmm.. actually in an MMO, you kinda have to make those sacrifices if you want to go anywhere with it. It sucks, but hey, missing out on coils is not the end of the World..

[Stanelis]

Im sorry you really do not understand how game development works. So you are standing in Mor Dhona and you see someone run past you with some cool shiny new gear. You inspect it and notice its something from the new raid content, something you desire. No one is forcing you to go and get it. Instead you "WANT" it. You want to clear it, either you work for it or wait for it to be nerfed. Those who work for it have a stronger desire than those who wait for it to be nerfed. Its how you get loot desire into the game. They never released an unbeatable fight. If its a matter of adding more and more to a fight, get over it. That is how content progression works. Sometimes the fights get longer, its a test of endurance. Can you concentrate on a fight for X amount of time. That is progression. Wiping for hours, weeks to get your first clear. Its that moment everyone's hype level skyrockets. No one FORCED you to do the fight. it isn't REQUIRED to access Alexander. Its a challenge for those who play the game to look for just that, challenges. Yoshi is CHALLENGING you to concentrate for X period of time, work together and synergize.

I think you re missing the point here. Nobody is saying the raids should be easier, but that they should be designed in another way.

Also if the only incentive to a particular content is the gear you get at the end, then the content is poorly designed. As an example, there are little to no rewards to playing a game such as league of legends, yet millions of players plays it.

Also one could argue that raids in FFXIV are not about synergizing and working together. It's more an affair of finding 8 players knowing the dance of any particular raid and executing it more or less flawlessly (depending on gear) on their own. Pug groups understood it well as most people require "experienced people" who know the fight. If the game was about playing together well, then knowing the encounter wouldn't be that much of an issue.

[Valkyrie_Lenneth]

I think you re missing the point here. Nobody is saying the raids should be easier, but that they should be designed in another way.

Also if the only incentive to a particular content is the gear you get at the end, then the content is poorly designed. As an example, there are little to no rewards to playing a game such as league of legends, yet millions of players plays it.

Also one could argue that raids in FFXIV are not about synergizing and working together. It's more an affair of finding 8 players knowing the dance of any particular raid and executing it more or less flawlessly (depending on gear). Pug groups understood it well as most people require "experienced people" who know the fight. If the game was about playing together well, then knowing the encounter wouldn't be that much of an issue.

Then it just degrades into tank and spank, and dodge fest, which we already have in titan, and people don't like titan. Coil is fine as it is, even with it being a "dance", and having it memorized, it still takes effort to pull off. If they took any of that away, it wouldn't really be hard.

Take GW2 for instance, none of the fights in that game are scripted really, and none of them are all that hard, you just avoid stuff and kill the boss. Very boring when you want a challenge.

[Stanelis]

Then it just degrades into tank and spank, and dodge fest, which we already have in titan, and people don't like titan. Coil is fine as it is, even with it being a "dance", and having it memorized, it still takes effort to pull off. If they took any of that away, it wouldn't really be hard.

Take GW2 for instance, none of the fights in that game are scripted really, and none of them are all that hard, you just avoid stuff and kill the boss. Very boring when you want a challenge.

Titan is also a staple dance encounter. GW2 shares the same defect as FFXIV regarding class and abilities diversities (it is also true for wildstar).

You have to play stuff like wow BC (on private servers) if you want to remember how was raiding when it was the trend in gaming.