Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[Ashkendor]

Square Enix clearly thinks it's a milestone since you get an achievement upon first clear.

Dem milestones. You trip over an achievement pretty much anytime you even move ingame.

T9 is an extremely hard fight but I think it's ok. I've been stuck on it now for well over 4 months of nightly runs and it can be very frustrating. I find sometimes the DF is getting better but due to not having time for a static I don't expect to clear it before the expansion although I'm pretty consistent up to dive bombs now.

I'd say T9 is the first real major roadblock/challenge for many people and I'd also say that T9 will be where most people give up on coil it's certainly not for everyone.The phases change so fast now and give very little time to react I find when most people hit a new phase they are instantly dead because there is so much going on in this fight.

You'd have been better off in a static group once or twice a week than in Duty Finder every single night for 4 months. Statics don't have to have a super hardcore schedule of 7 days a week for hours on end. You've spent far more time on the turn in Duty Finder than you would have in a static because of the nature of Duty Finder itself. It's hard to progress in the fight when it's a tossup on whether people will even know the first phase.

[Eight]

Dem milestones. You trip over an achievement pretty much anytime you even move ingame.



You'd have been better off in a static group once or twice a week than in Duty Finder every single night for 4 months. Statics don't have to have a super hardcore schedule of 7 days a week for hours on end. You've spent far more time on the turn in Duty Finder than you would have in a static because of the nature of Duty Finder itself. It's hard to progress in the fight when it's a tossup on whether people will even know the first phase.

Sorry I didn't mean everynight but for statics the ones I've tried for don't work sadly but i'll eventually beat it.

[Lilyarel]

*snip*

You think thats bad? Alien Isolation has an achievement for literally EVERYTHING

Fire gun one time? Achievement
Wave a stun baton one time? Achievement
Use a revolver? Achievement Yes, theres an achievement for using a specific type of gun. Dont ask me why.

[Krr]

if you did these kills legit and not boosted, people who do end game

Raider egos.txt

"Your kills aren't legit until you enter my official e-peen waving contest! You were boosted/carried/etc!"

Child, I spent $20 to get away from the server where the only groups were paid carries, because I wanted to get a legitimate T9 progression kill.

I bet if I linked one of my 600+ practice parse caps you'd scream that that was illegitimate too.

My statement is not false because I experienced it. There are no role checks in T9 any more. You do not "learn reflexes". You recite a pattern until 8 people get it right and the boss is dead. It does not prepare you for the actual, real role checks hiding behind what doing FCOB was like before the loot unlock.

Like c'mon, do you actually think T9 required the same skill today, with echo and pubbie i130, that you think it required in 2.2? Hell naw. But it still requires the tedium of getting 8 people to play Heavensfall Heavensfall Revolution to prove you're somehow good enough at your job to do 4 fights with less than half as many mechanics.

It sucks as a gate. "But your reflexes are sharper! You got better at your job!" You realize that like...Nael gives you larger reaction windows to her mechanics than some 2.1 EX Primals, right?

[Gardes]

Raider egos.txt

"Your kills aren't legit until you enter my official e-peen waving contest! You were boosted/carried/etc!"

Child, I spent $20 to get away from the server where the only groups were paid carries, because I wanted to get a legitimate T9 progression kill.

I bet if I linked one of my 600+ practice parse caps you'd scream that that was illegitimate too.

Nothing personnel, kid. *tips fedora*

[GenJoe]

My statement is not false because I experienced it. There are no role checks in T9 any more. You do not "learn reflexes". You recite a pattern until 8 people get it right and the boss is dead. It does not prepare you for the actual, real role checks hiding behind what doing FCOB was like before the loot unlock.

Yep, it's like practicing for a coordinated dance routine.. You practice, practice and practice.. and if ONE person messes up on the actual showing, then you're screwed.
It's not like those people lack the ability to pull it off.. but one mistake, WIPE! Like I've said before, on Coils that's understandable, I just don't wanna have to do that for everything else too

You think thats bad? Alien Isolation has an achievement for literally EVERYTHING

Fire gun one time? Achievement
Wave a stun baton one time? Achievement
Use a revolver? Achievement Yes, theres an achievement for using a specific type of gun. Dont ask me why.

It's there for the achievement hogs to get a sense of progress.. As trivial as the achievements may be, getting ALL of them to 100% is a task.. some people enjoy that.

[VargasVermillion]

Coil content can be achieved by anyone, you just have to want to clear it. Somehow people have this idea that they should be able to clear said content within the same amount of time as someone that works harder for runs. The turns takes what 15 mins at most when you clear them? Just take time to practice and learn, can't be any longer than farming stuff for your relics, nor as boring.

Saying you work and whatnot isn't a real excuse, that's just expecting to clear content at the same time as people that do have more time (and/or care more about the content) which is just illogical.
Attitudes can be bad on both sides of the fence but making easier content isn't the answer.

[OMEGA_HACK]

Coil content can be achieved by anyone, you just have to have others who want to clear it. Somehow people have this idea that they should be able to clear said content within the same amount of time as someone that works harder for runs. The turns takes what 15 mins at most when you clear them? Just take time to practice and learn, can't be any longer than farming stuff for your relics, nor as boring.

Saying you work and whatnot isn't a real excuse, that's just expecting to clear content at the same time as people that do have more time (and/or care more about the content) which is just illogical.
Attitudes can be bad on both sides of the fence but making easier content isn't the answer.

fixed this for you.

[zcrash970]

fixed this for you.

Well that goes without saying. It is a mmo after all.

[LunaHoshino]

fixed this for you.

Just did yet another T5 clear for two more people, making a total of around 26 people I've helped clear T5 in the past two weeks. There are many, many people out there who want to clear Coil and who are willing to put in the time and effort to learn the fights; likewise, there are just as many of us who are willing to jump in and help the people who are making an earnest effort to take initiative to clear the content for themselves. The key words there are taking initiative-- all of the people I helped clear had taken the time to learn the fight for themselves rather than just expecting the rest of us to carry them through it.

They put in the effort and were rewarded with a clear. That's exactly how things should work.