Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[Jamein]

I wouldn't ask them to nerf if people weren't acting like we're horrible players for having not cleared it by now. Also, saying Coil isn't for everyone sends mixed signals when others saying it is "easy" content.

The people saying you're a horrible player are in the minority, most of us who have cleared coils know that fights like t5/t9 require at least a half decent PARTY. It doesn't fall down to one player.


That being said, I know so many people who cleared t5/t9 solely through PF just by creating learning parties, then practice parties, then clear parties. It took a while but they did it. So the reason I get so annoyed with people asking for nerfs, is because if you actually want to clear the content it can be done, you just have to put the effort into it. If you are not willing to put that effort in, or don't think it is worth your time then that is completely understandable, it just means you want to play the game a different way and I accept that, but I do not accept that you want content to be made easier for people (on top of echo + better gear).

Echo is fine, if people want they can still click echo off, so I have ZERO complaints about that at all.

Then there is the whole 'elitist' concept.

I despise that term. Do I think I am better than others because I have a static? God no. I have simply put more time and effort into end game raiding than you.
As for the whole 'I don't have time for a static' it's not a great argument, a static doesn't have to be ridiculously hardcore. Mine has mandatory raid days of Thursday night and Sunday afternoon. These are the days that worked best everyone, between that we organise if we can go other nights of the week, some weeks we go twice, some weeks we might go most nights.

If people don't like the idea of a static that's fine. My FC doesn't and they raid casually through the week with whatever party setups they can get together and so far they have cleared t10 as an FC.

As I have said, if you want to clear end game raids, put your time into end game raids. If you don't then that is absolutely fine, but don't start asking for nerfs then when others get annoyed by that start calling them toxic and elitist. We don't think we are better than you, we've just put more effort into the content that we find the most fun to play.

With that being said as well, now that lockout is lifted this whole us and them mentality has pretty much gone, I'll farm t10/t11/t12 to gear up my offspecs in PF, I don't expect a clear everytime either, and I'm also happy to help people out with t5/t9 groups if i see them struggling in PF. The most toxic attitudes I see lately are from the people who want the first clears. I'll join a PF group and pretty much throw music on and chill out and relax as I do the fight, then I see the people in party chat raging out, and it's usually the ones who wanted the clear. So this whole toxic attitude goes both ways.

[Themis]

You are correct. Echo and i130 makes the fight stupidly easy.

Ah, so the first time you did this content was after the echo was brought in and i130 gear was released? Or did you already have this fight under farm, and it's simply easier and quicker for you now that you have better gear and a boost to help out?

If the former, this is an ok statement to make. It must be very easy now.

But if it's the latter, then it's not because of gear/echo that the fight is easier, it is because you already know the fight. Knowing is the main part of success in Coil.

T9 is not "stupidly easy". There's still a lot of mechanics because each phase is almost like it's own battle, and you need to constantly be aware of what is going on and what is coming next. The amount of time you are in a phase is simply less with echo/gear, which can mean there is less room for things to go wrong (less meteors means less chance of placing too close, golems die faster so you don't get meteors/megaflare whilst some are still alive). This doesn't make it impossible to mess up still from lack of knowledge or not handling something correctly. "Stupidly easy" would imply you could simply stand still and ignore everything and still win. This is not true at all.

It's this attitude that makes people who are not yet through T5 feel like they are inferior, and why the look at people like me who are simply tackling Final Coil or have beaten it, as if we are all suddenly elite bastards who look down with noses up at every other player in the game.

[Snitchie]

in short this is what its like to fight an AI (npc). If boss does this you should do this. And if you do this the boss responds with that.
If the bosses where controlled by humans . then the OP would get what he/she wanted :P ( but this isnt the reality in ff14 )

So either you do it as they build it , or you dont do it. simple. And if all the encounters could be done on first try, ppl would become bored and leave the game. So there is a fine line here to adjust. Not an easy task , but so far I think SE is doing a great jobb regarding endgame boss encouters. compared to other PVE focused MMO's

[CGMidlander]

And this is why endgame ffxiv is luke warm at best.

SE would't even have to bend over backwards to fix this. Just vary where [the rock drops] and where the [adds spawn]. Relax difficulty and reliance on script adherance a bit to accomodate the randomness.

Easier said than done, without making the fight into a boring tank&spank.

[Mercutial]

Lastly its not quite the fact that these PF groups exist as much as its the language being used, sadly though there is nothing that can change that as the anonymity of internet protects and lets people act unlike they would if in person...Its a shame that a vast majority thinks its okay.

I think you just might be surprised at how many of those PF solicitations that elect to be phrased in such way are complete and utter wipe fests. Again... the raiding community proper is NOT as toxic as people believe.

[CGMidlander]

I think you just might be surprised at how many of those PF solicitations that elect to be phrased in such way are complete and utter wipe fests. Again... the raiding community proper is NOT as toxic as people believe.

On the subject of PF, many of the more competent raiding activities happen in LSes, not on the PF.

[Mercutial]

Give Silent Abyss a gold star. They are absolutely right about LS's. And on this note, if you don't believe yourself to have enough time or a steady schedule to join a static, start a Linkshell. Or join one of the MANY endgame LS's on any given server. I've started a few myself. And while a static is generally the focal point for my endgame LS's, it allows us to pull from a variety of subs as well as build the groundwork to form multiple statics among these individuals. Get out there and network.

[Ayrie]

T9 is easy in the same ways T5 was and even Titan HM back when.

When you step into that fight it will blow you away. I never wanted in that place ever again after my personal fails that night.

But I went back... I STUDIED so that I could understand what I experienced... and I did A LOT better. But then there was problems with golems. Again studied and had plenty more exp in phase 1.

Process repeated itself all the way to hot/cold and divebombs. And then viola, we dropped her.

There was a lot of personnel changes, mostly due to people not having tenacity (wanted it done without doing the work)... and instead of throwing our hands up in disgust and shattering the static, we replaced. And replaced. And replaced. And our static in final coil is much better now for it.

Moral is: it takes effort to do it. Nerfing it won't make it easy clear. It is not designed that way. You'll need to put forth genuine effort.

[StrejdaTom]

... I STUDIED ...

As OP already said, he doesn't want to study, he is not in school, he wants fun.
If you have to memorize anything, it is not fun and it has nothing to do in game.
FFXIV should be one long corridor and every boss should have manual (how to kill it) above its head.

Sorry if I missunderstood anyone, that's what I got from this thread.

[Ayrie]

As OP already said, he doesn't want to study, he is not in school, he wants fun.
If you have to memorize anything, it is not fun and it has nothing to do in game.
FFXIV should be one long corridor and every boss should have manual (how to kill it) above its head.

Sorry if I missunderstood anyone, that's what I got from this thread.

Don't the gold saucer mini-games have guides to beating them slapped on them? I'd say that may be more appropriate than Nael.

But Nael has some awesome music... And heavensfall is impressive eye candy.

I kid, though. It is a fun and rewarding fight (not gear wise reward, the satisfaction of watching her die the first time).