Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[OMEGA_HACK]

While I disagree with the OP about skill not being repetition (as a memorization is a skill) I do agree that the Coils and the players who do them regularly are a big problem with the game. This is a bit off topic but here are two reasons why Coil levels are terrible:


1) It breeds elitist players (I can take a picture on my computer of the PF at any given time 9 times out of the 10 the PF is filled with players wanting to do FCoB but with really derogatory messages about new players wanting to do that content, this imo is unacceptable. Not that they are not willing to take on new players, but the language in which they are using to say it (granted its not filled with curse words and the like but if a new player were to read them they ask themselves why am I playing this if all the veteran players appear to be this way') Now I'm not saying that all veteran players are like this, HOWEVER its a matter of perception, the New Player(s) will perceive the end game community to be vastly unfriendly, a problem that will hurt the MMO in the long haul, all created by the veteran player base.

2) Certain Coils basically require some form of audible chat software (TeamSpeak, Ventrillo, Mumble, etc). Because how quickly some of these phases/move cycles go its really hard to speak via typing to player who are new, which in turn discourages veteran players from wanting to play with new players because it would be too much of a task to ensure then knew what was going on/going to happen. Voice Chat software fixes this problem, however we are playing a game that is split onto three different platforms, Playstation 3, Playstation 4 and PC. Now I know that you can get these chat software options in the form of phone apps, but that is not the point of this matter. The point is that players are basically being forced to use outside software to complete content. IMO, that is a sign of poor game design, both from lack of offering the voice chat option within the game and from designing content where voice chat is almost mandatory when its not an option built into the client software.

Those are my gripes, skill is definitely involved with Coil runs, as memorization is a skill. One that many people are not very good at.

[gamesmart]

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1) As someone steeped in raid content, I'm gonna say that those are probably the people you wouldn't want to play with anyway. For every person that does that there's probably more in FCs willing to help new people through most content (though they're not quite as likely to extend their help through PF).
2) While VOIP is highly helpful, it's really not needed for Coil at all, provided everyone in the group is highly attentive (which is usually not the case, hence many people making it a requirement for their groups). For most stuff, macros can be used to get something across to other players much faster than just typing it out. (Besides, we're talking high-tier endgame raiding here, it's supposed to require coordination. You'll be hard-pressed to find a cutting edge raid group on any MMO that doesn't make use of voice chat.)

That's how they set up the game. Everything besides Coil is very casual and welcoming. How can you condemn us for expecting the game to be consistent?

So what you're saying is that there should be NO hardcore content whatsoever, or if they do they have to put up warning signs saying "HEY LOOK AT THIS HARD CONTENT DON'T COME CLOSE" at every mention of that content? I would hope that people can think enough so SE wouldn't have to resort to that to get some message across. Item level requirements for Second Coil Turns 3 and 4 are higher than any other instance in the game, that should say enough.

[Zohar_Lahar]

So what you're saying is that there should be NO hardcore content whatsoever, or if they do they have to put up warning signs saying "HEY LOOK AT THIS HARD CONTENT DON'T COME CLOSE" at every mention of that content? I would hope that people can think enough so SE wouldn't have to resort to that to get some message across. Item level requirements for Second Coil Turns 3 and 4 are higher than any other instance in the game, that should say enough.

The Extreme primals are a good example of the difficulty being advertised by quest and duty finder. By contrast, the quests leading into Crystal Tower and the Coils don't really give you any reason to think one would be significantly harder than the other, or anything you did up until then. The fact that people went on about how second coil was "easy" after 2.41 did not help things at all for those who didn't clear T5.

[ziddyt]

The Extreme primals are a good example of the difficulty being advertised by quest and duty finder. By contrast, the quests leading into Crystal Tower and the Coils don't really give you any reason to think one would be significantly harder than the other, or anything you did up until then. The fact that people went on about how second coil was "easy" after 2.41 did not help things at all for those who didn't clear T5.

So, you figure out that fighting Primals is going to be somewhat difficult... And then it doesn't occur to you that the raid questline featuring THE primal would maybe follow in the same vein?

[hallena]

The Extreme primals are a good example of the difficulty being advertised by quest and duty finder. By contrast, the quests leading into Crystal Tower and the Coils don't really give you any reason to think one would be significantly harder than the other, or anything you did up until then. The fact that people went on about how second coil was "easy" after 2.41 did not help things at all for those who didn't clear T5.

But it was easy. Just not dungeon easy where you can do it while eating and watching a movie.
This problem only exist because the non raiding playerbase is used to dungeons/crystal tower being a snorefest. They don't prepare them for anything that require even a minimum amount of thinking. And when there is something that is somewhat difficult, there's no reason to get better because enough complaining will get it nerfed anyway.