Why I have no interest in Coils more specifically, T9.

[Gardes]

Again taken it out of context you can make anything sound like something else. I was making a suggestion but by removing the line I've added you are making it seems like I was asking for a Coil nerf. Also making less mechanics doesn't mean that it's easy, take for example again Titan EX (and I cannot stress this enough--when it was new content--not now when we are 50+ items levels higher). He only had around 4-5 mechanics:

1) Mountain Buster: healing/cd mechanic
2) Landslide/Plumes: dodge mechanic
3) Tumult: healing mechanic
4) Bombs: dodge mechanic
5) Upheavel: stack/placement mechanic

However during the time of its release those few mechanics were very unforgiving. You mess up, you die; no questions asked. Its just another form of challenging content however Coils don't really have that style of battle, its all mechanic and move on top of another, that one single mechanic might not kill you but because there is another mechanic already going off there is a good chance you will fail. Either way they are going to kill you however one is about precision and one is about "can you recover". Both are valid endgame styles, sadly they did not choose the former for the coils.

Nice try on omitting things like gaols, adds, gravity puddle, heart dps check too, btw. Also forgetting that it all comes in the same predictable manner despite having harsh consequences for failing the mechanic and the fact that if certain roles fail out of the mechanics, your party is screwed. Or how despite t10-t12 is divided into multiple phases, they have about two phases each where it's the exact same with an extra mechanic thrown in.

Edit: Oh I forgot, did you remember how titan ex fight went? Non stop mechanic after mechanic after mechanic. What you're asking for, "bigger intervals of nothing happening" does not happen in titan ex! And they sometimes overlap!

[OMEGA_HACK]

You can take it seriously or not, its a shame you limit insight to experience only as its not the only way to have insight. There is also Knowledge (studying fight by watching videos, reading strategies, keeping up with reddit posts on people offering tips and suggestions, etc etc) those people's insight is just as valid as people who has cleared the content 1-1000000 times. For argumentative sake its the same as applying for a job, employers are looking for people with knowledge OR experience (sometimes both if its a very technical demanding job) as both are valuable assets.

[StrejdaTom]

I cannot agree, watching videos =/= clearing or experiencing all phases of the encounter. I insist on opinion that watching guides didn't even help me, because it gave me almost nothing. You forget half of the mechanics before you even enter the coil + knowing them doesn't help you if you need to react to them fast and alter your positioning according to the situation + do job of someone else if they die or fail to do it etc... Absence of these things in parties of people who only "memorized" it is the main reason why they have problems clearing it.

[Cynfael]

A lot of people in this thread are overlooking the fact that player skill is just as important as the ability to learn and adapt to new mechanics.

Dancing around the screen to avoid or trigger mechanics isn't usually that difficult; doing so while functioning as well as you can takes some practice and skill.

[Stanelis]

Dancing around the screen to avoid or trigger mechanics isn't usually that difficult; doing so while functioning as well as you can takes some practice and skill.

Yeah but generally most people understand that it is pointless to do it on a MMORPG when you could do the same thing on an offline game (you also avoid sloppy server infrastructures that way; MMORPG have an history for running on engine which do not support those sort of gameplay), thus leading to the situation of most current MMORPG (eg being niche games, in which raiding popularity steadily decreases).

[Cadmar]

I like Coil. I think it is fun, diverse and offers an adequate challenge. I like the style of fights and most of the mechanics are well thought out and interesting. Going all the way back to first Coil (think T1 feeding slimes or T2 Rot passing without the stupid enrage strat) the mechanics are so much more than just memorization mechanics. Anyone that says otherwise just isn't paying attention.

99% of the time the people complaining about Coil are the ones who don't or can't do it. The people that actually take the time to do it typically enjoy it very much. So please, let us keep enjoying it. We like it.

[kirk]

Can't we all just raid and have fun :O also coil is not for everyone sooo i see no issues with coil mechanics

[Kallera]

It is because of feedback of both sides of the issue that Alexander is being setup the way it is(again, hopefully). This game is not in the business of making gaming ubermensches. If a large amount of people are not seeing doing or unlocking raids as worth the trouble, it becomes an issue when you put story content(largely seen as something everyone can experience) behind content so few people can accomplish. IMO, I'd rather not want raids "forced" upon people, or people to take the game too far.

[Zeille]

This mechanic isn't my idea of fun.

Click me for more wacky fun times.

[Cyrus-Wallace]

This mechanic isn't my idea of fun.

Click me for more wacky fun times.

What about looking at 12 o' clock and then set the marker between the two first dragons you find? Then the second one at the opposite direction. That's how it works. That's how you even do it in Savage, where there're more than 10 different divebomb patterns. It's not even hard... but it does requires practice and more than smashing buttoms while you watch YouTube.