selling coil runs and primals

[tocsin]

Let me pose a similar question to everyone here.

I sometimes will have large spiritbonding sessions, where I will get a group of like 6 or 7 people together, pay each of them 500k and give them all the gear, and have them stand in range while wearing 5 subsequent 11 piece sets of i45 crafter gear, while I kill mobs in urths gift for 3 hours, and then I get all their materia. I usually do 100k per set, or 500k per run, invest 2.4 mil in materials (assuming 68k per set in mats), and 3.5 mil in pay, for 385 pieces of t3 and t4 materia, which on the marketboard is worth about 10-12 mil for a 3 hour work time.

Is this ethical?

(edit: no, this isn't just this simple, there are a lot more mechanics to it. I simplified a little to prove the point. )

[Ashkendor]

It's about the ramifications of who and where this gil is coming from. Nobody can earn these absurd "clear" prices, which means that they either bought the gil from RMT or the sellers selling their gil to RMT.

I have close to 90 million gil and two houses to my name (a medium for my FC and a small for me), so that automatically means that I participate in RMT? How about no. In fact, I probably detest RMT even more than the average player. It destroys the economy, which has always been a fun part of any game for me. I don't have the kind of real life cash that would allow me to have that much money, not to mention SE's staff would have to be asleep at the wheel to not have tracked down a huge amount of gil like that by now. I don't believe in having a bot program play the game for me. I'd much rather play it myself. I actually don't participate in selling runs regularly. I've done a few here and there, but it's very spotty at best; usually I end up helping friends or friends of friends clear for free.

It's quite easy to earn massive amounts of gil in this game if you learn what to do and dedicate enough time to it. I try to keep a full 4 retainers worth of items on the market at all times. Even if I'm busy, I try to keep them at least half full. I keep it diverse, selling everything from food to base mats like ingots to stuff I grow in my garden. I spiritbond while doing most things in game; anything from farming to grinding out base mats to making relics sees me rolling around in level 39, 49, or 70 accessories. Most people that complain about not being able to earn gil either don't have the know-how, the time, or the drive to do so. It's just like anything else in the game - it takes skill and it takes work.

[Satia]

Pointless thread is pointless... YES even more pointless then this reply I am writing. lol

[Lovescake]

its like people forget that selling clears is faster gil than crafting/gardening/gathering/spiritbonding.

on average
Primals up to shiva - 100-114kpp
shiva - 142k pp
t9 = 357k pp.
t5 = 120-171k pp
t10-13 - millions. pp

Why wouldn't you use your skills to your advantages to get gil.

this doesn't mean those who do these runs are heartless beings etc. heck i see 99% of the time people helping in these groups for free. t5 help, t9 help, t10 help. its always needed and who else is better than those who know these fights in and out. just because we sell content doesn't mean we dont also help with it. selling is just the bit on the side which benefits us for having to do the fight 99% of the time 1 man down. making the fight alot more different than you may see.

[GenJoe]

its like people forget that selling clears is faster gil than crafting/gardening/gathering/spiritbonding.

on average
Primals up to shiva - 100-114kpp
shiva - 142k pp
t9 = 357k pp.
t5 = 120-171k pp
t10-13 - millions. pp

Why wouldn't you use your skills to your advantages to get gil.

Because it's immoral! Why is it immoral? Because... Because... refer to what other people have said so far and their half-baked theory of ethics.

[Satia]

Because it's immoral! Why is it immoral? Because... Because... refer to what other people have said so far and their half-baked theory of ethics.

[KarstenS]

its like people forget that selling clears is faster gil than crafting/gardening/gathering/spiritbonding.

Don't forget. That money will get divided by 7 And that numbers you posted don't looks like the actual state. Not on Odin.

[Lovescake]

Don't forget. That money will get divided by 7 And that numbers you posted don't looks like the actual state. Not on Odin.

pp = per person....

if you think you can get a shiva clear for 142k :^)

+ numbers fluctuate. all dependant on the sellers.

[Ayrie]

This thread has made me realize something:

I'm going about making gil ALL wrong.

Should sell light farm premades. Yes, yes, that's it... And zodiac speed runs. Mmmm... I taste the awesome from here!

[LTEvil]

This thread has made me realize something:

I'm going about making gil ALL wrong.

Should sell light farm premades. Yes, yes, that's it... And zodiac speed runs. Mmmm... I taste the awesome from here!

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