Is there any way to play the game as DPS? Or just end subscription?

[FoxyAreku]

Are you one of those people who just stands there doing nothing while you wait on a queue?

You realize there's hundreds of fates and leves you could be doing to level just as fast right?

[BreathlessTao]

Y'know... potential hyperboles aside, OP does have a point.

Sure, there are FATEs and leves - which are good, while you're leveling up, to a certain point. There's only so many of them and for so long one can be bothered with them before they go completely bonkers. I've been leveling tanks lately and I have to tell, I'm sick to death with Coerthas, even if I only consider this past week, meaning doing MSQ and the last batch of post moogle quests (among other things) at the same time. On a sidenote, knowing relics force us back to FATEs much more than we'd like, is no help at all; also, knowing leves are best left to level up DoL/DoH is pretty much another blow.

And once you're at level cap, your only other option is leveling another class or maybe working on your relic (unless you're into the GS grind) - so basically FATEs and leves. (And then good luck getting out from the middle of a FATE and change to the class you queued with in time when the duty pops, while potentially chased by mobs: I know I've missed quite a few because of this.) You still can't even have your chocobo out to level him up while waiting for duty. And at endgame, these long queue times are all the more annoying when you're trying to do something that's (still) difficult to do, so much so that you get in a group that tries over and over again, and ends up either disbanding/abandoning, or just running out of time, failing the duty - basically leaving you with the feeling of not having done anything at all, apart from wasting time (the duty's in addition to all the waiting). Sure, practice and experience is important, but the next time it's gonna be the same again, with another seven random people. Until you luck out (it's like RNG again) and happen in a party that can actually complete the duty. It's frustrating.

Sure, friends and FCs and LSs are options. But not necessarily viable ones. Not when you don't have actual friends playing the game with you. Not when everyone else is busy minding their own business and doing their own things, so much so that even if they notice your ask for help and even if you get a reply, it's just "later" (yeah, shouldn't be like this in a FC, but I've experienced it too many times myself). Not when you'd be the only new one to the duty and nobody feels like helping you out (experienced that too). Not when it's something not enough people are confident doing and so they rather "opt out".

Yes, queue times definitely are bad. It's rooted in the fact that there are 2 tank jobs, 2 healer jobs, and now 6 DPS jobs - and while there might be some variety to the tanks and healers (both arguable imo, healers maybe not as much as tanks, but still), DPS definitely has more variety to it, not only in name/gear, but playstyle as well. One of those things that's clear-cut logic/math on paper, but nobody should expect it to play out like that irl... idk why SE did.



(Still asking for the removal of the character limit, I'm sorry I've opinions I want to elaborate, but I don't think I should be punished for that.)

[seekified]

I am of the mindset that if you're levelling a tank/healer job, dungeon queues are short enough that full exp dungeon clears will be the faster way to hit 50. If you're a DPS job, doing FATEs and leves while using Low Level Roulette to complete your challenge logs is faster. It's not fantastic, but this problem will always exist because of the sheer amount of DPS players.

[Adamm4231]

For some, such as myself, it's not that they don't want the responsibility, it's that they have a low level of tolerance for douchebaggery when said douchebags get pissy because the new tank/healer didn't perform perfectly on their first try. So they berate the new tank/healer, even encouraging them to no longer touch a tank/healing class ever again.

This is the reason people dont play tank classes in mmos and it stems straight from WoW, i refused to tank in that game. In this game however, Ive played a warrior on and off ( mostly on) since 2.0 released and it is extremely rare that anyone has anything to say about how Im playing. If your afraid to tank new content, roll through as a dps a few times and watch a tank who knows what they are doing and then emulate it. If it's new content, everybody is understanding if you screw up and generally don't care.

[Vespar]

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Sometimes, the queue waits 30 mins for a healer, and the tank is forced to sit there just as long as the DPS for the role to fill. Or the reverse, sometimes its the healer and we wait 30mins for tank. I have played both healer and tank and since ninja was released around the time I was finishing levelling them, my queues went from decent 1-5min queues as heal/tank, to 10-30mins or more,
Not sure what the did when Ninja came out but it really thru a wrench in DF queues for all low levels. not just DPS. Because of it I gave up finishing my tanks and MNK classes. They will remain at 40 until the queues dont suck.

[seekified]

Sometimes, the queue waits 30 mins for a healer, and the tank is forced to sit there just as long as the DPS for the role to fill. Or the reverse, sometimes its the healer and we wait 30mins for tank. I have played both healer and tank and since ninja was released around the time I was finishing levelling them, my queues went from decent 1-5min queues as heal/tank, to 10-30mins or more,
Not sure what the did when Ninja came out but it really thru a wrench in DF queues for all low levels. not just DPS. Because of it I gave up finishing my tanks and MNK classes. They will remain at 40 until the queues dont suck.

Really? I finished my SCH three days ago after having done Stone Vigil > Dzemael Darkhold > Aurum Vale for days, and the only queue that took more than five minutes was the very last AV run, which took around 20. With my WAR (which I finished in November doing the exact same thing) it was instaqueues all the way.

But I mean, if queues are terrible I would:
1. Ask FC/LS/friends if they want to join
2. Form PF farming party for the dungeon in question
3. Go to Northern Thanalan and /shout LFG fates if I'm 40+ and all else fails.

[Sartori]

I have been playing since beta. But recently I have been trying to get all jobs to 50 before Heavensward and also get BiS gear for my main job DRG before then, but I am finding it impossible to actually play the game when I get on and get extremely bored because the queues are .

Have you people not heard of FC's or something??

[radioactive_lego]

Being in an FC doesn't help because everyone is usually busy and doing their own thing. Party finder is a dud.

You need a new FC.

Also, it wouldn't kill you (anyone) to tank some of the time. If every "bored" Diasy out there tanked 1 of 5 runs of anything there would be no queue waits.

If anything, you cant play as DPS because the average DPSer is lazy, and is not willing to contribute to the metagame.

Thank god there's no downvote, because i feel the trollerdpserazzi already eyeing this post. The truth hurts.

[Quesse]

None of this has to do with how long leveling takes. It has to do with being able to play the game while waiting on queue and getting some kind of decent progress for whatever I'm leveling... Fates and leves are horrendous and almost pointless, though leves are excellent 15 and under.... there needs to be a way to make some decent progress while waiting.

I guess you missed the part where I said I just leveled WAR/BLM/PLD to 50 only on fates/leves/farming. I only started at the beginning of the year. In the same time I've crafted all the decorations for my house, got my choco from Rank 7 to 10, got artisan tools for all my DoH. Oh got FSH to 1-50. I mean.... your definition of pointless is different than mine I guess >.>

With leves you get 20k every 2 minute leve. so that's 500k XP an hour. I mean.. how much faster do you want it exactly???? *confused* Its like you just want to be mad at something.

[KyteStones]

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As a BLM main on the same server as you, I do not have these problems with the queue times. I ran through the weekly crystal tower yesterday easily. Queue times were probably about 6 or 7 minutes at most. Normally it takes me about 8 minutes to get in World of Darkness. I was even able to go into Shiva EX through the duty finder yesterday with my queue times never exceeding 10 minutes, yes all on my BLM class. Either you're getting poor RNG or you feel like the times are longer then they really are. I haven't waited more than 10 minutes for anything since release when DPS times were 45+ minutes. The longest I waited recently was probably 22 minutes at about 2am on a weekday. I'm assuming people were sleeping for work the next day though.