New Scholaring!

[KisaiTenshi]

I see the point, its most likely just a matter of bad execution on my side and so it feels like a hassle to me.
Got to get better musclememory on SCH still to get this thing going more smooothly I guess.

Manual Embrace spam is an absolutely huge thing in stuff like FCoB. You can fairly reliably force the fairy into casting on the target that you want. For example, in T10 I deal with all preys, so for the double and staggered preys I Adlo the necessary targets, while getting Selene to Embrace the MT.

Even with multiple targets below 80%, it is still very easy to control who your fairy heals.

I can't help but think that maybe people who are not maining SCH, and play poorly at SCH just play wrong because they see stuff like this, and believe that they should be DPS'ing and let the fairy do all the reactive healing.

[Cynfael]

I can't help but think that maybe people who are not maining SCH, and play poorly at SCH just play wrong because they see stuff like this, and believe that they should be DPS'ing and let the fairy do all the reactive healing.

That flow chart is funny, but of course not something to take literally.

One big point to remember is that "reactive healing" is a bad term. Yes, you literally do heal reactively when unexpected damage occurs or when you aren't specifically guarding against it, but one of the other factors that contributes to good SCHs providing off-DPS (aside from good WHM and overall skill with the class) is knowledge of fight phases and mechanics.

E.g. The Prey mechanic in T10 is predictable, as are other types of unavoidable damage. Knowing the flow of the fight allows you to pre-shield as desired and to start to queue up Embrace to support the tank as you handle something else. Eos and Selene are pretty dumb and will not adequately supplement your healing responsibilities unless you are proactive in their use.

Non-Coil Example: Non-tanks rarely take much damage in Tower boss fights unless A) something went wrong, B) they are positioned incorrectly, or C) a mechanic is going out that will target random players or the entire raid. As a SCH or WHM I watch for these cues and am ready to toggle off CS before or after these mechanics to ensure that everyone is safe. As SCH, if a party member is damaged but not in actual danger, I'll stay in CS and force Embraces on the target until they're full.

And of course, if your party has proven itself highly accident prone, you'll need to do more pre-shielding and more patching up.

[Spoekes]

I can't help but think that maybe people who are not maining SCH, and play poorly at SCH just play wrong because they see stuff like this, and believe that they should be DPS'ing and let the fairy do all the reactive healing.

I don't even know what to say about this.
Are you implying I go by the chart, play poorly in general, or was this a random thought you just had to throw here to again babble about healers should not be DPSing?

[KisaiTenshi]

I don't even know what to say about this.
Are you implying I go by the chart, play poorly in general, or was this a random thought you just had to throw here to again babble about healers should not be DPSing?

No, the flow chart is intentionally misleading. (Given it was found on reddit.) It essentially said "You want to DPS? Fairy will do your healing job for you". It doesn't even mention which fairy, or which mode to have the fairy in. The fairy only does reactive healing, and only if you let it.

I got Brayflox longstop from a random roulette today. The normal way to do this with WHM would be to use Esuna (last boss) and Repose (for the first boss.) Don't have either of those on SCH, so I had to heal through the tank's 4 stacks of poison non-stop. Entire final boss battle took 3 minutes. A bit annoying but it had me thinking of what other content before level 40 has something that was clearly designed for the CNJ/WHM to use one of their skills. The only thing that comes to mind is Cutter's Cry with the "regen" kite trick (which is probably more an abuse of how enmity is tracked, but hey it works,) though I suppose this might actually be doable with the fairy too.

[Spoekes]

I still cannot make sense of your quotation of me and DarkerOrange and your post about that flowchart but I'll leave it by that.

[Divine_Intervention]

manually embrace.....trust me you don't want Eos/Selene to be healing some random splash damage on a DPS , compared to +2200-2800 on a Tank that's getting ready to get blasted

see that's my problem. My fairy is doing this, even though i have her on obey. I mean i get that she has an auto heal threshold, but how do i deal with it when she's mid embrace on another player and i NEED her embrace + physik/adlo for the main tank who's taking a kicking?


Also, AoE heals, for example titans stomps. As a white mage i can precure this effectively, how does one go about it as a scholar?

Swiftcast macro - I prefer to have both on manual, gives me the option to use the swifcast for something else if needed (someone is dead, i start raising them, but tank needs an emergency heal situation).

[Divine_Intervention]

The only thing that comes to mind is Cutter's Cry with the "regen" kite trick (which is probably more an abuse of how enmity is tracked, but hey it works,) though I suppose this might actually be doable with the fairy too.

Yup it works out. Spammed cutters a little to get some better gear and level.
Basically just placed Eos beside the tank (so it was always in embrace range of the party) , cast whispering dawn just before the adds appear et voila

[Cynfael]

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Embrace: It doesn't work well as a clutch heal because of fairy AI. I find that trying to micromanage her heal to that extent isn't effective. Depending on the state of pet AI in any given patch, she might also have her Embrace go on cooldown when cancelled.

When the tank is in unexpected trouble, I might patch with a Lustrate while mashing for an Adlo and for Embraces to commence (if I'm not already forcing them on the tank).

AoEs: Succor beforehand for major AoEs; time a second cast with start of AoE as usual. Whispering Dawn etc. if healing big AoEs solo and needing party topped off faster; otherwise use Embraces to top everyone off as damage shifts back to tank.

[Divine_Intervention]

Yeah the fairy heal is being a bit of a pain at the moment. I do like that when it's actually available, it gives me the option of healing 2 people at once (One for my hard targeted tank, the other for a soft targeted player who's taking damage)

Also, not 100% effective, but i have one macro only , on embrace i have it so that i can heal a focus targetted player. Of course i won't be using this in progression raids, as i'll be a good scholar focus targetting the boss xD

Did my first 8 man as a scholar, Hydra to help a buddy out. was pretty fun!

[Cynfael]

Did my first 8 man as a scholar, Hydra to help a buddy out. was pretty fun!

Nice

As for Embrace, I assigned a mouseover macro to my spacebar so that I can use it easily without having to reposition my hand (shift+spacebar is my jump since it's not needed as often and never during a fight). The fairy's lower heal potency and longer CD make it virtually impossible to steal aggro by Embrace alone, so feel free to spam it.