Do you think that the Twelve will eventually become major players in the plot?

[Brady672]

Potential Spoilers ahead! I couldn't fit it in the title.



Not counting the Calamity, in which they played a major part.

I don't know why I starting thinking about this, but what if we somehow see them again in the far future (like beyond heavensward). This reminded me of one line during the 2.0 storyline where Gaius (I think it was him anyway, it's been a while) compared the Twelve to the Primals. Additionally, we've seen instances of beings that weren't originally primals returning as such (Louisoix, Shive, I think King Mog counts too)

Basically, I was wondering if we will eventually see them return with a greater magnitude to the plot, as potentially primals, either benevolent and malevolent or even just to a lesser extent see them in any capacity.

[WyrahFhurrst]

I wouldn't mind seeing them in some sort of dream or Echo cutscene where they talk to us in some capacity. Not even something major, just showing up and talking to us.

[Noka]

This reminded me of one line during the 2.0 storyline where Gaius (I think it was him anyway, it's been a while) compared the Twelve to the Primals.

Nabriales, before his fight, mentions the staff's how Louisoux called upon the Twelve, IIRC. That what you mean?

Also, I'd point to the Twelve as primal figures. They're only brought into the world via a large concentration of aether and humanity's prayers. It's possible they'll have some major part their own, possibly an expac about them specifically, but they either need to have a miniscule part or a huge focus on them. The lore states they've mostly abandoned humanity. If they show up out of nowhere, devs really can't involve them without trivializing that.

Am I the only one hoping the Twelve are aspects of Hydaelyn, and that there's at SOME POINT a battle involving them to get aetheric power back to Hydaelyn? With them being fought or fought for.

[Kytrin]

Also, I'd point to the Twelve as primal figures. They're only brought into the world via a large concentration of aether and humanity's prayers. It's possible they'll have some major part their own, possibly an expac about them specifically, but they either need to have a miniscule part or a huge focus on them. The lore states they've mostly abandoned humanity. If they show up out of nowhere, devs really can't involve them without trivializing that.

I dunno...even if the Twelve did abandon us they could conceivably do an entire expansion around us finding out why they abandoned us and convincing them to come back. That would probably make for a very interesting plot point actually.

[Balipu]

Yes, as Noka has said, the Twelve are very close to the primals. Louisouix even planned to kill himself before the twelve are fully summoned. We might talk to them like we talk to Hydaelin but they certainly won't phisically apear. Unless of course the Ascians want them to appear.

[Kuwagami]

Unless of course the Ascians want them to appear.

Like when Halone appeared to the Ishgardians to tell them where to build their city ?

[Balipu]

Like when Halone appeared to the Ishgardians to tell them where to build their city ?

You think you are joking, but it could be true. For starters we don't have much evidence wether it was really Halone who appeared (if anything appeared at all). And second, Lahabrea and co are playing a pretty long con, so it is reasonable to assume that they had a hand in planting a nation state at the doorstep of the dravanian horde. It's not like the two are waging an eternal war or anything.

[Alberel]

You think you are joking, but it could be true. For starters we don't have much evidence wether it was really Halone who appeared (if anything appeared at all). And second, Lahabrea and co are playing a pretty long con, so it is reasonable to assume that they had a hand in planting a nation state at the doorstep of the dravanian horde. It's not like the two are waging an eternal war or anything.

Regardless of whether it was truly Halone that appeared to the Coerthans before the founding of Ishgard there has to be some true origin to the mythology of the Twelve. It is very likely the Ascians have used the myths to manipulate people since the Twelve departed Eorzea but I find it unlikely that they fabricated the very source of the mythology.

The game is full of hints and nods to the concept that every myth has a shred of truth in its origins. Something of the Twelve is real, whether they're just people, gods, or something else. Bahamut, Shiva and Phoenix are proof enough of this, and Belias' presence in the SMN quest series suggests much the same for Ifrit.

[Balipu]

Regardless of whether it was truly Halone that appeared to the Coerthans before the founding of Ishgard there has to be some true origin to the mythology of the Twelve. It is very likely the Ascians have used the myths to manipulate people since the Twelve departed Eorzea but I find it unlikely that they fabricated the very source of the mythology.

The game is full of hints and nods to the concept that every myth has a shred of truth in its origins. Something of the Twelve is real, whether they're just people, gods, or something else. Bahamut, Shiva and Phoenix are proof enough of this, and Belias' presence in the SMN quest series suggests much the same for Ifrit.

I'm not saying the twelve ain't real. I'm saying that they likely won't appear in a physical form without the Ascian's consent.

[Kaiser-Ace]

Me personally I'm taking Gaius' Garlean View on the Twelve. That being that Eikons (Primal or otherwise) are simply energy sucking monsters masquerading as Gods.

Could the Twelve be real? Of course they could, The Primals spirits as well for that matter. But what is summoned is most certainly not the deity being cried out too.

Lets say we call out to Phoenix again, who says it'll actually be Louisoix this time? He gave up his life to become it sure but Bahamut Tempered his (Louisoix) mortal spirit before He (Bahamut) and The Primal Phoenix disappeared into aether.

So while I believe that the Twelve were some kind of all powerful mortal (Assuming they haven't always been deities) I don't believe that any summoned incarnation of them would actually be The Twelve. Like when the Ascians tried to talk the Ala Mihgans into summoning Rahlger the Destroyer. He might have said he was Rahlger, he might have looked and acted like they though Rahlger was suppose to, heck he might even have a lot more knowledge on the other 11/12 in the Pantheon than his summoners, but I don't believe it would actually be Rahlger himself.

So this comes back to the argument of where the heck these summoned beings are coming from when summoned and going back to after they're defeated. (And also if the Dawn Father and Dusk Mother of Auri lore have the same issue as The Twelve)