New Jobs Gated Behind Completion of 2.0 Story?

[Bluevann]

In the same way, someone who was drew to FFXIV:ARR by the White Mage comes and realizes that he needs to labor through 30 levels of "work" and the main story at least up to Ifrit, and then wtfwhydoihavetolevelanarcanist, only after all that, he can play the White Mage.

So all those people who argue that new jobs should not be gated behind 2.55 story...are you also arguing for that all JOBs be available at level 1?

Except those ARE accessible from the start, only with different names and symbols. A player who buys the game to be a white mage will enjoy conjurer just as much. They only differ in having some extra abilities and less cross abilities. But still, to compare 30 levels to doing all of the patches's main scenario quests is nonsensical.

[Felis]

This isn't true though. Coerthas Western Highlands is known to be in the expansion and it lies directly behind Snowcloak where there is already a path through the glacier ready to be opened when the expansion launches. Griffen Crossing in Coerthas is also an obvious crossing into one of the expansion regions; the bridge will just be 'fixed' when the expansion launches and suddenly you can cross into the new region.

Yes, Western Highlands is behind Snowcloak, like we can see here:



But no info about Eastern Lowlands (the zone behind Griffen Crossing). It was not part of the 3.0 zones trailer.

All discussion from the devs so far has specified Ishgard as being gated behind the 2.55 story completion. I have seen no mention anywhere of the new regions within the expansion being gated as well. In theory the floating continent and other such regions would be story gated simply because you would need to unlock the flying mount from the 3.0 main scenario to get there, but the terrestrial regions should be open to anyone that has the expansion.

The way to western highlands is already blocked throught the glacier. It is part of the 2.x MSQ and like Ishgard it would't be logically to walk to the other side before finding the tunnels in the MSQ.

[Firepower]

All I remember is that people was saying ninja was going to be gated behind the storyline too back when it's first appearance was only during the Leviathan part and Yugiri had only just settled into the guild in limsa. That wasn't the case and I don't believe that they intend to lock the jobs behind an even bigger storyline brick wall. I must say it is strange for them to contact them to explicitly specify that the jobs will be gated. I know they were intended to reside in the new zones but I didn't believe that it would be in ishgard itself.

Perhaps Yoshi can provide further clarification, or at least a dev could reply to this topic as it seems to be a rather big issue with the expansion in relation to new players, especially considering we currently have a lack of tanks and healers already in the game so making the 2 new potentially most exciting tank (DRK is always popular) and healer gated away which would just further put off any new potential tanks or healers.

Personally it has no effect to me I already am up to date with the story and will be intending to get into the new content asap to level the new jobs, but I do feel it would be unfair for a lot of newer people to struggle through content with a job they may potentially have little interest in, it is a very good way to make new players quit the game before they even get to try what they wanted.

[Aeyis]

Except those ARE accessible from the start, only with different names and symbols. A player who buys the game to be a white mage will enjoy conjurer just as much. They only differ in having some extra abilities and less cross abilities. But still, to compare 30 levels to doing all of the patches's main scenario quests is nonsensical.

Arcanist which is also required for white mage, plays entirely different.

[LineageRazor]

Yes, you're totally right. Let's make the advanced jobs easier to access than normal jobs!

At no time have these new jobs been referred to as "Advanced jobs". That is entirely an invention of players on these forums. They've never said that these are going to be a "better" form of tank, or healer, or DPS, and if they're not better, what is "Advanced" about them?

Right now, the only known differences between these jobs and our normal jobs is the fact that they have no base class and apparently aren't going to start at level 1.

Since they are NOT Advanced jobs, but are in fact, just additional jobs, why should they be harder to get? What is there about these jobs that warrants the gate that's going to be there? Right now, there doesn't seem to be any reason for the gate to be there at all. And if it DOES turn out that they are advanced jobs, better at tanking, better at healing, better at DPS - I can guarantee you that the playerbase will be up in arms.

[Viridiana]

Since they are NOT Advanced jobs, but are in fact, just additional jobs, why should they be harder to get?

Let's see. . .For one, they have no base class; for all we know this means that you don't even need to have a similar role leveled to unlock them. Potentially, I could take a 50 MNK with no tanking experience and unlock DRK at whatever level it starts at. Second, even if it does require you to have a similar role leveled, it allows you to diversify more within that role than current jobs do. AST by itself sounds to have more versatility than CNJ and WHM combined or ACN and SCH combined. Third, we don't know yet how much experience boost (that is, free levels) we'll be getting when we unlock them, which could be enough to justify having to work harder for them.

[Zohar_Lahar]

Has any of this even been confirmed? There has been so many contradictory and confusing statements in "interviews" from PAX East that I'd rather hear from the English community representatives.

[Gunspec]

Why is this such a heated debate among level 50 players? I get that you all want to be considerate to new players, but if not being able to play Dark Knight out of the box will actually prevent someone from even picking up the game, do you really think they would have gotten further than the first few dungeons anyway?

[ProphetMagnus]

I haven't read every single post in this 22 page thread. But SE have already said that the new jobs won't start at level 1, there's the first reason to not have them available to new players starting out. They are also jobs that - in the story - are local to Ishgard and if you can't get to Ishgard until you've completed the story (spoiler free here but you know why you can't) then how do you intend for these people who are yet to complete the story to get their job quests (if said jobs were made available)?

I have no problem with blocking these jobs behind the story content, especially since they are local to Ishgard in this world. I think there will be more reasons to have them story locked when we get further information about them (cross class skills?) but there's no point going into them as that would just be speculation.

[TinyMonster]

I didn't read all those pages but I really don't see the issue here. It's an expansion! I, for one, am glad they will be gated behind the story cause the story makes you go to Ishgard! I don't see why a new player would be able to go directly there when our characters couldn't until 2.55.

I don't plan on adding more about this.. Just wanted to chime in.