Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

I wonder do the people that wanted to fight know that..if you were to simply kill them. That would just make it even more convincing that you did in fact do the assassination and just went on a wild rampant before escaping.

I wonder do the people that bring this up know that..."fight" does not automatically mean "kill." Also, convincing to who? The guys that are actively trying to frame you and will either execute you or make sure you never see the light of day? Pretty sure you can't sway them.

Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

I wonder do the people that bring this up know that..."fight" does not automatically mean "kill." Also, convincing to who? The guys that are actively trying to frame you and will either execute you or make sure you never see the light of day? Pretty sure you can't sway them.

Still people fail to understand when you should fight and when you should just simply run. Our characters are not gods, they can be killed. How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea. They look up to your character. What do you expect would happen if the person that everyone looked up to is suddenly branded a traitor and a assassin? There goes whatever hope that is left. Not every situation has to result in our characters fighting, sometimes the best option is just to escape.

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea.

You could have fought back before they tied you up.

There was one merchant Lalafell and a handful of noobs who came to "arrest" you.

You're already branded a traitor and assassin despite not fighting back, btw. Just talk to the new NPCs in the town/Mor Dhona that show up, they say stuff about it.

Originally Posted by Neuflune

You could have fought back before they tied you up.

There was one merchant Lalafell and a handful of noobs who came to "arrest" you.

You're already branded a traitor and assassin despite not fighting back, btw. Just talk to the new NPCs in the town/Mor Dhona that show up, they say stuff about it.

I know and they probably believe you're innocent because there were no reports of you fighting. Just an escape. Personally, it's more convincing if you ask me.

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

I know and they probably believe you're innocent because there were no reports of you fighting. Just an escape. Personally, it's more convincing if you ask me.

I'd say the convincing part is the fact that you've fought to save Eorzea dozens of times over and have literally zero good reasons to kill Nanamo, but that's just me.

Originally Posted by FrejyaAthenes

I'd say the convincing part is the fact that you've fought to save Eorzea dozens of times over and have literally zero good reasons to kill Nanamo, but that's just me.

That's something to take to the writers. I'm not the one that wrote the story. I just have my own personal view on it. Anyways, let's just agree that everyone has their own opinions about the situation.

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Still people fail to understand when you should fight and when you should just simply run. Our characters are not gods, they can be killed. How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea. They look up to your character. What do you expect would happen if the person that everyone looked up to is suddenly branded a traitor and a assassin? There goes whatever hope that is left. Not every situation has to result in our characters fighting, sometimes the best option is just to escape.

...I now realize we're talking about the same thing. I'm saying that before you were bound up you should've fought to escape rather than submitting, because there was no guarantee that the following events would've transpired to facilitate your escape. Because honestly, can anyone say with a straight face that the WoL, as s/he has been presented by the game so far, calculated that everything would work out the way it did and that s/he'd be able to escape by doing nothing? Because I can't. Anyways, glad to have that cleared up.

hey this thread is still going!

Originally Posted by Seoulstar

Still people fail to understand when you should fight and when you should just simply run. Our characters are not gods, they can be killed. How many do you expect to fight? Because in reality, you have an entire city of enemies. It's best to just get out of there before you're overwhelmed and killed...and im talking about the people of Eorzea. They look up to your character. What do you expect would happen if the person that everyone looked up to is suddenly branded a traitor and a assassin? There goes whatever hope that is left. Not every situation has to result in our characters fighting, sometimes the best option is just to escape.

In this instance I expect to fight thew few soldiers that are obviously corrupt that just burst into the sultanas chambers. Unless every soldier in the city is waiting outside that door, I can easily take the few that show up. The problem in the situation comes down to How likely are these people to kill me? In that moment, my character is far from helpless. Once apprehended, on the other hand... Considering they were more than willing to commit regicide, my chances for survival in custody are essentially nil, logically speaking. To clear my name I have to expose the entire plot anyway, which means anyone I kill in that room is known to be part of the conspiracy and justifiable self defense. Would anyone really believe that those responsible for killing the Sultana wouldn't have a problem immediately then killing me?

The important thing in this situation is to survive to get to the bottom of things, and surrendering to a few guards I hilariously out skill and out gun just not the correct call to make. Do I have to kill them all? probably not. Would I be ultimately justified in doing so? probably. Would I kill them all? I don't know. As a Ninja main evading is the easiest option, probably.

The only way submitting in that situation would make sense would be if I were too weak to do what I do best, they had the drop on me and incapacitated me before I could react, or there was someone far more powerful arresting me. If I had been poisoned? I Wouldn't be making this argument. If the lady-In-Waiting sapped me in the back of the head as Teledji burst in the room? I wouldn't be making this argument. If Ilberd spartan kicked me into the wall if I tried anything? I wouldn't be making this argument.

I'm making these arguments because everything that happens from when the Sultana hits the floor onward DOESN'T MAKE ANY SENSE. And it completely ruins everything following it.