Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Moqi

Except we did exactly that with the Scions... if anything, anyone could have figured out that we would be never getting a fair trial, so complying to the arrest wouldn't have made any sense, since we would have never gotten out of jail, and could possibly be executed. Fleeing Ul'dah and hiding was the only sensible thing to do - and that's what we ended up doing.

Um...that is exactly what I was trying to get across. Fighting would have given them just the ammo they needed to discredit me, also as a member of the Immortal Flames and proud member of the city of Uldah I didn't want to fight soldiers that didn't know better.

I wish they had let these other people choose to fight, so they could lose and get captured. Then they could log in every day and look at their prison cell. But at least they could say they played the scene out the way THEY chose. Then they could wait until 3.0 for the rescue mission by the people who escaped so they could play outside again.

Originally Posted by RichardButte

I knew my character was a soulless puppet when it was established that

...the lord of the dragons was following us around and LISTENING to everything we're privy to, but our character doesn't take a moment to actually tell anyone that the very enemy we're trying to outwit is listening to this very conversation.

You sure people to find out that you're literally allied with one of the most powerful Dragons?

Have you seen the shit Coerthans do to anyone they even suspect of allying with dragons?

There are some secrets better kept secret, 'cause being killed's far from the worst thing they'd do.

(Also I seem to remember us telling Minfilia that we'd spoken to Midgardsormr - not even made a contract, but simply spoken - and her basically saying "don't tell anyone about this"; but even if my memory's failing me, the less people that know about this the far, far better)


...All that aside, I was bothered by it, but given we were completely unarmed, I'm not surprised. The big thing, I think, is that it was actually sort of a smart decision. The more fuel was added to their fire, the more power the Sultansworn could have wielded. Even with the brashness in the scene, NPC commentary around the world after indicates that their grip on power is tenuous and people are unlikely to believe what they're spewing. The situation could have turned out very different otherwise, however.

It's similar in reason why Merlwyb and Kan-e retreated from the scene; in their case, had they of actually intervened heavily (which they could have) it could have literally sparked a war, either between nations or simply between Ul'dahs classes (as opposed to the simply highly tense situation that exists now).

Originally Posted by Krr

That's correct. The main reason Ascians are so 'dangerous' in the MS is because they're dark spirits possessing host bodies; killing their host just causes the host to die while the Ascian's spirit disperses for a while, regenerates, and then possesses a new body. They're pseudo-Primals (or based on what we've seen with recent Primals, possibly even just plain Primals) in that sense. The point of the light-laser was simply to kill Nariables rather than only temporarily banish him.

Not 100% correct
https://www.youtube.com/watch?featur...ViayJRs#t=4117

Originally Posted by Aeyis

So what does ''gaoled'' mean? Its not a word many people on the internet will know of, I think.

http://wiki.ffxiclopedia.org/wiki/Mordion_Gaol

Originally Posted by ElHeggunte

We know what would have happened: you wouldn't have been captured like a scrub. I see several people trying to argue this point, but did you miss how they're trying to frame you? The Syndicate has a lot of sway and they're clearly not above planting evidence and lying so you're "guilty" whether you resist arrest or not. Since you're guilty anyway you may as well evade arrest until you can clear your name. Also, considering the length of time the entire coupe had been planned and the way it even played out, it heavily implies that all of the Blades and Braves present were on the take anyway so it's unlikely you'd be cutting down someone innocently doing their job.

The Warrior of Light is overly naive and trust almost everyone who says "I sware, dude, I'm your friend!". Even if Teledji is known to be a bad character, only seeking profit and power for himself, he's still one of the most powerful leader of Ul'dah.
With his great sense of justice, there is no way the Warrior of Light would have attacked Teledji or his guards without any kind of evidence beside "he's not a nice lalafell".

Our character is more often that not completly clueless. It's not a sign of stupidity, but more something amongst the lines of him/her not being able to fully understand what all of these bad behavior works, because s/he's pure of heart.

It's not the first time that we, as the viewer, are able to understand a situation to the point of calling it obvious. But from the point of view of the Warrior of Light, when Teledji came to arrest us, s/he may have absolutly no idea what was going on, and blindly followed the guards to be put under arrest. Even if he's not up to good, Teledji still represent the authority of Ul'dah. Standing against him means standing against Ul'dah altogether.
Besides, the Warrior of Light is good, lawful, fair and loyal. Attacking the leader of a city-state, even for his/her own safety, is very unlikely to ever happen. There is absolutly zero hint of selfishness within the Warrior of Light. Blasting and punching through a bunch of guards just to save his/her own ass is absolutly not something that seems natural for the Warrior of Light.

It's like most people here don't realize how clueless the Warrior of Light is regarding all that stuff, and assume that he's as farseeing as the player.
Yes, as the player, with the amount of knowledge we had (including everything the Warrior of Light didn't know), resisting might have been a better choice... but the Warrior of Light is not the player.

Something obvious for us isn't the same for the Warrior of Light, and some people here fail very hard to understand that.

Originally Posted by Wobi

Um...that is exactly what I was trying to get across. Fighting would have given them just the ammo they needed to discredit me, also as a member of the Immortal Flames and proud member of the city of Uldah I didn't want to fight soldiers that didn't know better.

They're actively trying to frame you so it doesn't matter whether you fight back or not. And due to the nature of their plan it's highly unlikely any innocent soldiers are even present.

Originally Posted by Fyce

The Warrior of Light is overly naive and trust almost everyone who says "I sware, dude, I'm your friend!". Even if Teledji is known to be a bad character, only seeking profit and power for himself, he's still one of the most powerful leader of Ul'dah.
With his great sense of justice, there is no way the Warrior of Light would have attacked Teledji or his guards without any kind of evidence beside "he's not a nice lalafell".

Our character is more often that not completly clueless. It's not a sign of stupidity, but more something amongst the lines of him/her not being able to fully understand what all of these bad behavior works, because s/he's pure of heart.

And thus we come around full circle to part of why this thread was made in the first place. The WoL isn't privy to all of the information the player is, but given what they do know they still have zero reason to ever trust Teledji. Yes the WoL is naive to a fault, but even then we've been shown to be able to tell when something stinks when given sufficient reason for doubt. If the WoL doesn't think they have sufficient reason for distrusting the Syndicate they've been trying really hard to ignore the elephant in the room. It's actually so naive that it's out of character for them to be cooperative.