Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Aeyis

As shown every time you enter Ul'dah after the story events...not.

Because shocker, some of us consider our WoL character as a human being that cares about others. Instead of the faceless guy that doesnt give a damn about anyone else, that some people seem to think of their WoL.

If caring about others (even in a game) makes me a monster, then so be it.

So, you're one of those people that would have preferred being locked out of Ul'dah AND Revenant's Toll for 3 months?

If you are so attached to your character & want immersion then do what I did, get a cowl & cloak yourself every time you go to either place, because if you actually TALKED to any of the NPC's you'd know Lolorito is trying to cover up what happened because you got away & trying to make sure a Civil War doesn't break out.


And as far as caring goes, yeah I stick by what I said. If you wanted to burst out of there killing everyone in your path just to "save" the Scions (I put quotes because how do you know they need your help? We don't know that they're dead), then yes your character would be a monster. Putting the lives of a handful of people before all of Eorzea, which you are suppose to be protecting but can't very well do in jail or dead. I think what the WoL did shows they care a lot. Enough to leave friends behind because more is at stake then just the Scions lives.

Anyways, I'm done talking about it. You either liked it or you didn't...

Originally Posted by Hyrist

I do believe those scenescould have been handled better, but the only way I feel they could have been handled better is if the Warrior of Light was removed from the events of the banquet all together.

Supplant the WoL with Minfilia - the Ascendant is brought into speak with the Sultana and then the Sultana is poisoned. Now we have a pacifist in the position a Warrior of Light was. The cut-scenes play out the same.

The WoL is instead tasked with rescuing Alfy alongside Pipin, with WoL meeting Minfilia outside of the escape route, but she pulled back in via the Crystal's intervention.

This would do less injury to everyone's agency over the WoL, though have less of a personal impact on the WoL themselves, unless s/he experienced it during the Echo.


Insults are the resort of a weak wit. Argue the points, not the people. You could have retorted that there shouldn't be the need for such deductions and that the story could have been crafted so that there was no need to justify WoL's actions. Though that may well be an impossibility when you want to clean the slate storyline wise.

Better question: How would you have done it?

Interesting. It was your insult after all, I merely returned it to you.

Your question is not a better one. Others have already answered it.

Originally Posted by Gemma

So, you're one of those people that would have preferred being locked out of Ul'dah AND Revenant's Toll for 3 months?

Talk on these forums is that most people don't want to revist Ul'dah anyway. And I'm told the Domans and Rowena have Revenants Toll in check.

Originally Posted by Gemma

If you wanted to burst out of there killing everyone in your path just to "save" the Scions (I put quotes because how do you know they need your help? We don't know that they're dead), then yes your character would be a monster. Putting the lives of a handful of people before all of Eorzea, which you are suppose to be protecting but can't very well do in jail or dead. I think what the WoL did shows they care a lot. Enough to leave friends behind because more is at stake then just the Scions lives.

Anyways, I'm done talking about it. You either liked it or you didn't...

Because a ruler that was greatly cared for by her people, one of the most important people in the game, was just murdered in front of your eyes? Someone you know a bit better as well, if you started in Ul'dah. One of your important and close allies. And on top of that they tried to blame you? You must be pretty insensitive to not care about that.

Ul'dah is a part of Eorzea too, by the way. Did you understand nothing of the single driving idea behind 2.0? Or even 1.0 before that.

I actually enjoyed this story this time around.

However, the no weapon thing when we were captured is so odd. I am a Red Wizard... Y'shtola casts spells without weapons. 1.0 We could cast without pulling out a staff, but do to limitations we can't now, but lore-wsie we still can. So my character not fighting back without a weapon is not very fun.

The escape scene, everyone seems to hate it. If it's true outcome with what happens I am all for it. But the rule of thumb for stories is, if you don't see it, it didn't happen.

I used to not like the GC leaders (Nanamo I like, even though I am from Limsa). Raubauhn has definitely now moved up in my books. The other two... need to die. They knew what Nanamo wants to do, and after the Banquet they should have been like "Yeah, this guy just saved the world from several threats, and we know how corrupt the syndicate is so this isn't adding up.

It's a weak point in my opinion. PIS. Had the Kan and Merl stayed the outcome could have drastically different, but they leave do to flimsy storytelling. We beat primals, imperials best fighters, and maybe beat bahamut(I haven't yet). But you're telling me that I can take on these huge things, but normal nobody soldiers are gonna be a threat to me alone, plus the 5 others who fight like me, and 1 raging Raubahn? IMPOSSIBLE.

Originally Posted by Riepah

Perfect example you say, yeah? Would Superman leave people behind to die for him so he could escape? Hmmmmm?

That's not the situation we are talking about. Also, Superman is allowed by the story he's in to not leave people behind to die because he can fly and has super strength.