Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

I do believe those scenes could have been handled better, but the only way I feel they could have been handled better is if the Warrior of Light was removed from the events of the banquet all together.

Supplant the WoL with Minfilia - the Ascendant is brought into speak with the Sultana and then the Sultana is poisoned. Now we have a pacifist in the position a Warrior of Light was. The cut-scenes play out the same.

The WoL is instead tasked with rescuing Alfy alongside Pipin, with WoL meeting Minfilia outside of the escape route, but she pulled back in via the Crystal's intervention.

This would do less injury to everyone's agency over the WoL, though have less of a personal impact on the WoL themselves, unless s/he experienced it during the Echo.

Originally Posted by Aeyis

Perhaps that's your problem: You are using child-level deductions.

Insults are the resort of a weak wit. Argue the points, not the people. You could have retorted that there shouldn't be the need for such deductions and that the story could have been crafted so that there was no need to justify WoL's actions. Though that may well be an impossibility when you want to clean the slate storyline wise.

Better question: How would you have done it?

Originally Posted by Hyrist

I do believe those scenescould have been handled better, but the only way I feel they could have been handled better is if the Warrior of Light was removed from the events of the banquet all together.

Supplant the WoL with Minfilia - the Ascendant is brought into speak with the Sultana and then the Sultana is poisoned. Now we have a pacifist in the position a Warrior of Light was. The cut-scenes play out the same.

The WoL is instead tasked with rescuing Alfy alongside Pipin, with WoL meeting Minfilia outside of the escape route, but she pulled back in via the Crystal's intervention.

This would do less injury to everyone's agency over the WoL, though have less of a personal impact on the WoL themselves, unless s/he experienced it during the Echo.


Insults are the resort of a weak wit. Argue the points, not the people. You could have retorted that there shouldn't be the need for such deductions and that the story could have been crafted so that there was no need to justify WoL's actions. Though that may well be an impossibility when you want to clean the slate storyline wise.

Better question: How would you have done it?

Interesting. It was your insult after all, I merely returned it to you.

Your question is not a better one. Others have already answered it.

Originally Posted by Gemma

So, you're one of those people that would have preferred being locked out of Ul'dah AND Revenant's Toll for 3 months?

Talk on these forums is that most people don't want to revist Ul'dah anyway. And I'm told the Domans and Rowena have Revenants Toll in check.

Originally Posted by Gemma

If you wanted to burst out of there killing everyone in your path just to "save" the Scions (I put quotes because how do you know they need your help? We don't know that they're dead), then yes your character would be a monster. Putting the lives of a handful of people before all of Eorzea, which you are suppose to be protecting but can't very well do in jail or dead. I think what the WoL did shows they care a lot. Enough to leave friends behind because more is at stake then just the Scions lives.

Anyways, I'm done talking about it. You either liked it or you didn't...

Because a ruler that was greatly cared for by her people, one of the most important people in the game, was just murdered in front of your eyes? Someone you know a bit better as well, if you started in Ul'dah. One of your important and close allies. And on top of that they tried to blame you? You must be pretty insensitive to not care about that.

Ul'dah is a part of Eorzea too, by the way. Did you understand nothing of the single driving idea behind 2.0? Or even 1.0 before that.