Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

All I can say to the people who are crying about why their WoL didn't attack and fight is, your character must be a monster then...

Saskia knew what was happening, she was being framed. How fighting her way through guards (that most of them are more then likely just regular guards trying to do their job) & KILLING them would help prove her innocence I don't see. It made complete sense to me why she would run & not fight.

There is a bigger purpose for her, & she would be no help to anyone (scions included) if she died. Everyone keeps thinking the WoL is Godlike, they're not. Everything we do in game whether its coil, primals, Ultima, Defending Ishgard, you are not doing it by yourself. You have team mates, cannons, the blessing of light. You have TONS of help, in that situation you are caught off guard with no way to get out of it except by running and trying to find a way to clear your name.

Why that seems unfathomable is beyond me...

Originally Posted by Gemma

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Might as well call all the Scions monsters then because they were going to be put in prison as well but fought anyway because it wouldn't make a difference in the situation. As they said in the next scene by Raubaun he knew you didn't do it and we all know most people in Ul'dah know the Brass Blades are the most corrupted. So fighting a few guards to make your way to the hall where everyone is and telling them something happened to the sultana would do less damage and they can investigate. You mention having teammates and too be honest the only reason you have teammates is because of the MMO aspect. Tell me why the heck would you waste time getting your friends when Minfilia just got kidnapped by a Ascian and they even say enter quickly before the rift closes =_=.

There were many ways they could have approached this quest but the one they picked was the worse. I can bet most people would prefer fighting while escaping instead of just running away. In my opinion i would rather them have it so its a solo duty and you are escaping Ul'dah while fighting guards trying to make for the exit. That would be more interesting right now just made my character look like some weak guy which annoys me a little. As I said before I don't mind the story as a whole but they should have taken a different approach. It sort of ended with your character being some weak guy who runs from a few soldiers and taking shelter in Ishgard. In that whole cutscene the only person with some form of combat skills who didn't fight was me.

Originally Posted by Remus

stuff.

The Scions aren't the ones accused of murdering the Sultana, you are. How would guards bursting in going, "It was him/her! arrest him/her" and you being like, "RAWR I'M GONNA KILL ALL OF YOU!!" look innocent? Doesn't matter if most of the common folk believe you, the people with power in Ul'dah are going to follow the money.

And it's also a weak excuse by saying, "The only reason we aren't soloing these fights is cause its an mmo". Okay? So your character is pretty much a God in your eyes and everyone you do stuff with is just there cause it's an MMO. Riiiiight >_>

Again, you are out numbered in that scene & SE has already predetermined your characters personality. No matter how much you say, "My character wouldn't do that!" it doesn't matter because the WoL would & did because SE says that's how your character would react to these situations.

Originally Posted by Gemma

And it's also a weak excuse by saying, "The only reason we aren't soloing these fights is cause its an mmo". Okay? So your character is pretty much a God in your eyes and everyone you do stuff with is just there cause it's an MMO. Riiiiight >_>

Again, you are out numbered in that scene & SE has already predetermined your characters personality. No matter how much you say, "My character wouldn't do that!" it doesn't matter because the WoL would & did because SE says that's how your character would react to these situations.

As shown every time you enter Ul'dah after the story events...not.

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Now who's making assumptions?

Most of these plot holes can be explained by child-level deductions of the plot queues. There are much bigger holes than most the ones being expressed here that could be focused on.

Perhaps that's your problem: You are using child-level deductions.

Originally Posted by Gemma

All I can say to the people who are crying about why their WoL didn't attack and fight is, your character must be a monster then...
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Why that seems unfathomable is beyond me...

Because shocker, some of us consider our WoL character as a human being that cares about others. Instead of the faceless guy that doesnt give a damn about anyone else, that some people seem to think of their WoL.

If caring about others (even in a game) makes me a monster, then so be it.

Originally Posted by Aeyis

As shown every time you enter Ul'dah after the story events...not.

Because shocker, some of us consider our WoL character as a human being that cares about others. Instead of the faceless guy that doesnt give a damn about anyone else, that some people seem to think of their WoL.

If caring about others (even in a game) makes me a monster, then so be it.

So, you're one of those people that would have preferred being locked out of Ul'dah AND Revenant's Toll for 3 months?

If you are so attached to your character & want immersion then do what I did, get a cowl & cloak yourself every time you go to either place, because if you actually TALKED to any of the NPC's you'd know Lolorito is trying to cover up what happened because you got away & trying to make sure a Civil War doesn't break out.


And as far as caring goes, yeah I stick by what I said. If you wanted to burst out of there killing everyone in your path just to "save" the Scions (I put quotes because how do you know they need your help? We don't know that they're dead), then yes your character would be a monster. Putting the lives of a handful of people before all of Eorzea, which you are suppose to be protecting but can't very well do in jail or dead. I think what the WoL did shows they care a lot. Enough to leave friends behind because more is at stake then just the Scions lives.

Anyways, I'm done talking about it. You either liked it or you didn't...

I actually enjoyed this story this time around.

However, the no weapon thing when we were captured is so odd. I am a Red Wizard... Y'shtola casts spells without weapons. 1.0 We could cast without pulling out a staff, but do to limitations we can't now, but lore-wsie we still can. So my character not fighting back without a weapon is not very fun.

The escape scene, everyone seems to hate it. If it's true outcome with what happens I am all for it. But the rule of thumb for stories is, if you don't see it, it didn't happen.

I used to not like the GC leaders (Nanamo I like, even though I am from Limsa). Raubauhn has definitely now moved up in my books. The other two... need to die. They knew what Nanamo wants to do, and after the Banquet they should have been like "Yeah, this guy just saved the world from several threats, and we know how corrupt the syndicate is so this isn't adding up.

It's a weak point in my opinion. PIS. Had the Kan and Merl stayed the outcome could have drastically different, but they leave do to flimsy storytelling. We beat primals, imperials best fighters, and maybe beat bahamut(I haven't yet). But you're telling me that I can take on these huge things, but normal nobody soldiers are gonna be a threat to me alone, plus the 5 others who fight like me, and 1 raging Raubahn? IMPOSSIBLE.

Originally Posted by Gemma

Saskia knew what was happening, she was being framed. How fighting her way through guards (that most of them are more then likely just regular guards trying to do their job) & KILLING them would help prove her innocence I don't see. It made complete sense to me why she would run & not fight.

Why that seems unfathomable is beyond me...

What is unfathomable to me is how you can think that the cartel, the one who engineered this conspiracy and that now have full power in Ul'dah, would even let you try to prove your innocence. You're arrested for regicide and treason by the guys that framed you and you expect a fair trial? It would be completly rigged, if you even have one and not a summary execution or a murder in prison.

Originally Posted by Hyrist

Most of these plot holes can be explained by child-level deductions of the plot queues. There are much bigger holes than most the ones being expressed here that could be focused on.

I still haven't found anyone who could explain where are the sultansworn during all of this and why they let a known enemy of the sultana burst into her chambers with an armed force. If there are suspicions of a murder attempt in the room, shouldn't they be the ones that come into the room. Instead, they don't even know she is dead... Care to use your child-level deductions to explain this?

Originally Posted by KerenRhys

I still haven't found anyone who could explain where are the sultansworn during all of this and why they let a known enemy of the sultana burst into her chambers with an armed force.

Umm... he's busy on the balcony. Seeing to the new Free Paladins. >.>

Jokes aside, that's a good point. But I could imagine (following the PLD story line) that the one or two on guard at the door are corrupt, or they could be easily overwhemed by the apparent large force of brass blades that some people are saying that are there to arrest us.

Originally Posted by Averax

I also felt like i was watching an episode of GoT. I didn't want to make that comparison because i'm sure the die-hard fans would have ripped me in half for it.

GoT season 4 spoiler. Don't open if you haven't seen or don't want to know:

When the poison took effect, I immediately thought of Joffrey. Although unlike Joffrey, I wasn't happy that she was dying. Far from it.