Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

**Kiara** · 04-04-2015 02:38 AM

Hi All,

Here's one thing I miss from the 1.0 Dev Team's work (and Story / Cinematics Team).

Look at the climactic battle (before the whole 2.0 / Dalamud / Bahamut ending was created) for 1.0's Main Story.

Look at HOW ACTIVE AND AWESOME the fighting and challenge was.

They can fight and kick so much butt, but suddenly, NONE of THEM can do anything against regular Uldahn Soldiers?!

So awful.

Shame on you Yoshi P and the Cinematics Team. Seriously.

https://youtu.be/iT-52Ia1-3M?list=PL...B9RF0Rj9&t=430

Thanks.

**Intaki** · 04-04-2015 02:52 AM

Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi All,

Here's one thing I miss from the 1.0 Dev Team's work (and Story / Cinematics Team).

Look at the climactic battle (before the whole 2.0 / Dalamud / Bahamut ending was created) for 1.0's Main Story.

Look at HOW ACTIVE AND AWESOME the fighting and challenge was.

They can fight and kick so much butt, but suddenly, NONE of THEM can do anything against regular Uldahn Soldiers?!

So awful.

Shame on you Yoshi P and the Cinematics Team. Seriously.

https://youtu.be/iT-52Ia1-3M?list=PL...B9RF0Rj9&t=430

Thanks.

They were beating those soldiers by the boatload. But no matter how strong you are, or powerful you are, nothing will save you from an insurmountable numeric disadvantage.

**Deithwen** · 04-04-2015 02:56 AM

Originally Posted by Kiara

Snip.

Totally approve this, although the rythme was much better, animations too. These cutscenes we had for 2.55 where so badly done on a technical point of view I almost fell asleep...
Thing is, everything was slow and badly done this time. I felt like watching a movie in slow motion. Like :
character 1 speaks... pause .... character 2 speaks... pause ... and so on, with the custscene ending with fading black. All of the cutscenes were like that.
I know this is a mmo which is doing far better than others but even older RPGs were better at that.

And now if you consider the lack of coherence of this whole plot, such as stupid choices made over and over (people not even trying to fight and just want the Wol to escape and dying in a suicidal way or Alphinaud becoming suddenly as stupid as a 5 years old child whereas he is supposed to be really smart)...

Yep, I guess my point is clear : disapointement on every part of it, although I could have passed on the story itself, but it was really a pain to watch on a technical point of view. And with 3.0 coming in June I wish they took more time to give us something decent at the very least.

**Felis** · 04-04-2015 03:12 AM

Originally Posted by Kiara

Hi All,

Here's one thing I miss from the 1.0 Dev Team's work (and Story / Cinematics Team).

Look at the climactic battle (before the whole 2.0 / Dalamud / Bahamut ending was created) for 1.0's Main Story.

Look at HOW ACTIVE AND AWESOME the fighting and challenge was.

They can fight and kick so much butt, but suddenly, NONE of THEM can do anything against regular Uldahn Soldiers?!

So awful.

Shame on you Yoshi P and the Cinematics Team. Seriously.

https://youtu.be/iT-52Ia1-3M?list=PL...B9RF0Rj9&t=430

Thanks.

The character still just stand around and do nothing (the main complain in this thread, how I see it), while the companion got first shooted.

Also the last 1.0 mainstory quest never feeled like the end of a story, more like the end of a prologue. Maybe there was more story planned before Tanaka got replaced, but the end was too sudden.

**Kiara** · 04-04-2015 05:13 AM

Originally Posted by Felis

The character still just stand around and do nothing (the main complain in this thread, how I see it), while the companion got first shooted.

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was regarding the OP's *other* point about how the Scions just stood around and did nothing. The whole 2.0 era ending is pretty weak in comparison.

I agree that 1.0's CS (the one linked) didn't wrap up everything at all, but I was posting that portion to show that at least they are portrayed as putting a fight. Yda, Papalymo, Yshtola, Thancred all being active and fighting back. Not just standing around shocked and letting themselves be "held up" by some average Foot Soldiers.

**Hyrist** · 04-04-2015 05:27 AM

Originally Posted by Kiara

That wasn't the point I was trying to make, it was regarding the OP's *other* point about how the Scions just stood around and did nothing. The whole 2.0 era ending is pretty weak in comparison.

I agree that 1.0's CS (the one linked) didn't wrap up everything at all, but I was posting that portion to show that at least they are portrayed as putting a fight. Yda, Papalymo, Yshtola, Thancred all being active and fighting back. Not just standing around shocked and letting themselves be "held up" by some average Foot Soldiers.

There's a difference that I feel should be acknowledged. Animation quality aside, there was no political ramification or blindsiding plots when it came to facing down Gaias.

That said, would have loved to have seen the Scions in action more than what was done so far.

**Krr** · 04-04-2015 05:31 AM

Also regarding the poison scene, I'm just gonna note that

no one has seen nor been shown the Sultana's corpse, nobody in the room checked for a pulse, and no poison both in-universe and in real life exist that cause you to instantly enter a darth vader chokehold and fall over dead within the same literal second of consumption; at least not one that could be used covertly

I'm calling playacting on this one, which dramatically changes the context of the scene and what the character could have done

also, the fact that the main character did not fight back when arrested and 'peacefully' escaped is very likely the only reason why any of the random joe NPC's talking about covering up their presence and keeping quiet about them is happening.

**Kallera** · 04-04-2015 05:41 AM

Originally Posted by Krr

Also regarding the poison scene, I'm just gonna note that

no one has seen nor been shown the Sultana's corpse, nobody in the room checked for a pulse, and no poison both in-universe and in real life exist that cause you to instantly enter a darth vader chokehold and fall over dead within the same literal second of consumption; at least not one that could be used covertly

I'm calling playacting on this one, which dramatically changes the context of the scene and what the character could have done

also, the fact that the main character did not fight back when arrested and 'peacefully' escaped is very likely the only reason why any of the random joe NPC's talking about covering up their presence and keeping quiet about them is happening.

The number of people in on the charade pushes the suspension of disbelief. There are still people after us for them and us to keep quiet for, right?

**Krr** · 04-04-2015 05:54 AM

Originally Posted by Kallera

The number of people in on the charade pushes the suspension of disbelief. There are still people after us for them and us to keep quiet for, right?

Well, only about three of them have to be in on the whole thing. Everyone else can just as easily be fooled or manipulated.

The same thing goes for the people covering our asses, too - it's a minority of powerful officials making executive decisions, by and large.

It's also been shown when first met as an Ul'dahn character that the Sultana is very good at slumming it in disguise when she needs to.

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