Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Ralos

While I have agreements and disagreements with all your points..... all I care about is Nanamo is dead...... fk everything...... best NPC is gone....

Oh please, we see her drink a nondescript poison with unknown effects, nobody is allowed to examine the body and the only people who say she is dead is a known liar and conman and a traitor to his friend, nation and employer.

She's totally alive.

Originally Posted by TruebladeNuke

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Okay, I'll ask you like I asked 3 others with no response.
Why, if what you say is so damn impossible, does Thancred do exactly that? "Screw the rules! Ima kill these scumbags!" He does it.


Long story short: If you defend the indefensible, you'll completely ignore any point that's inconvenient.

Originally Posted by Velia

Okay, I'll ask you like I asked 3 others with no response.
Why, if what you say is so damn impossible, does Thancred do exactly that? "Screw the rules! Ima kill these scumbags!" He does it.


Long story short: If you defend the indefensible, you'll completely ignore any point that's inconvenient.

I'm gonna go ahead and step in here.

Scene ends on a fade to black. No character just walks up to you and slaps cuffs on you and is like 'there ya go, all captured'. The fade is a moment for you to fill in the blanks, since SE can't tell you how you would've reacted. Instead they leave the scene before that decision point had to be made and hoped you'd fill it in. For some of us, yes, we'd have stood there and let it happen, for others even with being disarmed they would've broken a chair and sword and boarded at the them or picked up a candlestick and lanced.But in the end the event plays out that you got captured, so you need to fill in the why of it.

Oh no, SE is asking us to think about our characters because if they made our character too active they'd be getting the opposite complaint. There's actually at least one instance where they fade to black and let you imagine the outcome as you then proceed to knock someone straight out because that was the forgone conclusion. For me it was a dude I likely just knocked to the ground with my shield, for my wife with a well placed Dragon Kick. But the point stands that they didn't want to risk telling you 'And then you start struggling, potentially damaging Nanamo's body (because yes, some people care) and creating a massive political sink hole out of your plight.

As for the running away, that was respect and understanding that all the fighting in the world wouldn't matter if you got overrun. Sure we can take a few brass blades. One or two, but eventually Conjuror MP runs out, eventually Monks run out of TP, eventually a warrior can be wittled down by too many rocks. And if we did take down the entirety of Ul'dah, what next? Are we going to stand singlehandedly and face the Garlean Empire when it shows up as soon as it hears that the WoL took out an entire City-State's Standing forces? Maybe we can handle their airships with their own well placed mortars, but our allies would be dried up after that much bloodshed.

Originally Posted by Risvertasashi

It's a fair point. I think, however... FTBs can imply passivity (no visual cues like us taking up a fighting stance to counter that), especially when you add in that a few scenes after when, instead of helping our liberator, we did outright flee. On camera.

It's not bad to have a problem with that, really. And I understand it unless you consider the following:

The FTB in this case didn't assume a struggle because, again, some of us would've chosen to be captured because Teleji, no matter how much of a rat he was, loves having a captive audience and to be visible. He's not the type to quietly behead you when he's setting you up to take the fall.

Teleji Adeleji basically publicly accused us and the Scions of treason, from what I can tell outside of those present at the banquet there has been no formal announcement to Ul'dah. That means the damage was already done when Raubahn cut you lose. Everything the scions are doing right now is getting their strongest member on the most important task they're faced with right now, getting their names cleared so they can move freely about the city-states again. There is no one stronger than you, and so the 'hold the line' bit was because they needed you, yes you, specifically out of there. Because if you all held the line together and things just went pear-shaped, that'd be it. You'd all be rotting in a cell next to Raubahn awaiting that trial and public execution to finish out Lolorito/Teleji's scheme.

They told you to keep moving because you've proven time and again you're the one who can rise to any challenge, and that's what they need right now.