Thread: Our passive characters and why the 2.55 story fails (BIG SPOILERS) (rant warning)

Originally Posted by Reokudo

Technicalities. Your character is a soulless puppet because giving your character a personality would remove the feeling that its you. Imagine they made your character an overly aggressive moron who gets blown up all the time. You'd sit there like "That's not what I'd do!" SE can only do so much.

But... that's not me though...

When Yda asked me to go collect the flower from Rowena MY response would've been "F*** you Yda! What the hell have you done! You are lazy, you are pathetic, and you are a waste of aether! Go do everyone a favor and die! No I won't get you your f***ing flower! Do it yourself you lazy b****!"

I NEVER would have allowed Ilberd to throw me to the ground like that! And I never would've stayed silent as I watched those two other buffoons leave me captive after I saved BOTH their nations numerous times and exit the room without even lifting a finger!

No sorry the PC already has a personality! A wuss whose as smart as a box of hammers! For goodness sakes the PC has so many screws loose he/she can start a hardware store

Originally Posted by zeroaru

Agreed, I like the ambiguity. I don't personally think the Urianger would side with the Ascians - Even one who may be at odds with the order, though he may enter into a temporary alliance for neutral reasons that further both agendas, whatever they may be. His previous displays of skill with magical arts certainly lead me to believe that unlike Thancred, Urianger could effectively stave off influence from Ascians so I really don't see SE repeating that plot device. Or at least I hope they wont.

I might be mistaken but they refered to Urianger as Archon, which means "the first" which leads me to believe that he actually is a full fleged Ascian that simply has no business with the other party as he was quite displeased with them calling him.

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Originally Posted by IfritReborn

When Yda asked me to go collect the flower from Rowena MY response would've been "F*** you Yda! What the hell have you done! You are lazy, you are pathetic, and you are a waste of aether! Go do everyone a favor and die! No I won't get you your f***ing flower! Do it yourself you lazy b****!"

You seem pleasant.

Originally Posted by Elmeron

The cut-scenes in this patch really made me rage. Everything was so obvious and a lot of it was just plain painful to watch. They really need a better writer in my opinion because it's getting GW2 S1 Living Story, levels of bad... And that's just freaking awful.

I hate Alphinaud. I just... Hate him so much. He's so dumb, and he has the personality of a rock. The whole time he was feeling bad I was super happy. Maybe this is harsh... I hope you die Alphinaud. You're an awful character. Whoever wrote you into existence is the worst. Same with Minfilia, the useless chick who somehow got to be a leader of an organization by... Constantly needing to be saved? I was shocked she stayed behind to protect me. I bet she dies from tripping on something though.

I agree with the OP about most of what she wrote. The fact that our character was so passive to the point of just letting himself/herself be tied up by a bunch of loser goons, and how he/she really didn't do much to profess his innocence... It's just so freaking painful to watch.

Oh, and don't even get me started on how Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn abandoned me and someone whom I assumed was a good friend of theirs, Raubahn Aldynn! For hell's sake, all three of them went through the calamity together, and came out the other end with one another! What the actual f*ck?! Horrid writing.

At least this time it was all mostly voice-acted so as bad as it was it sounded nice...

This honestly shoudln't need to be explained again but you are playing with politics.

Sure this isa Final Fantasy but what are the consequences if the other nations showed their allegiance during the engagement. They help Raubahn and the Syndicate could mark them for traitors for assisting in a regicide and on that same front they could order the Crystal Braves to attack LL and Gridania and blame it on the Scions. Since for all intent purposes the Scions are the one that put the Crystal braves together had the two leaders interfered and helped Raubahn it would just take one LP call to say "attack" and then civilians in LL and Gridania would die as they tell the Crystal Braves to say "FOR SCION". Then to put a better face on Ul'dah they could tell the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves to fight and to have "some die" on each side but overall to have the Brass Blades easily overcome the threat of the Crystal Braves and fortify the defenses of Ul'dah.

Now with Ul'dah protected via a "fake fight" but LL and Gridania still dealing with the Crystal braves there they could then send out airships flying out from mor Dona with more Crystal Brave soldiers to attack LL and Gridania, while they are under threat both leaders forced to head back would now have to deal with the consequences for what they did. In the end the Syndicate could say we will pacify these Crystal brave but only if you surrender your leaders whom attacked the Syndicate within the chambers alongside Raubahn.

Not that easy is it? Not everything can be accomplished by beating up the otherside, actions have consequences and they were aware of what could happen if they decided to act.

Originally Posted by Airget

This honestly shoudln't need to be explained again but you are playing with politics.

Sure this isa Final Fantasy but what are the consequences if the other nations showed their allegiance during the engagement. They help Raubahn and the Syndicate could mark them for traitors for assisting in a regicide and on that same front they could order the Crystal Braves to attack LL and Gridania and blame it on the Scions. Since for all intent purposes the Scions are the one that put the Crystal braves together had the two leaders interfered and helped Raubahn it would just take one LP call to say "attack" and then civilians in LL and Gridania would die as they tell the Crystal Braves to say "FOR SCION". Then to put a better face on Ul'dah they could tell the Brass Blades and Crystal Braves to fight and to have "some die" on each side but overall to have the Brass Blades easily overcome the threat of the Crystal Braves and fortify the defenses of Ul'dah.

Now with Ul'dah protected via a "fake fight" but LL and Gridania still dealing with the Crystal braves there they could then send out airships flying out from mor Dona with more Crystal Brave soldiers to attack LL and Gridania, while they are under threat both leaders forced to head back would now have to deal with the consequences for what they did. In the end the Syndicate could say we will pacify these Crystal brave but only if you surrender your leaders whom attacked the Syndicate within the chambers alongside Raubahn.

Not that easy is it? Not everything can be accomplished by beating up the otherside, actions have consequences and they were aware of what could happen if they decided to act.

What? No. The Crystal Braves and Ul'dah don't even make up enough guards to take on both Gridania and Limsa Lominsa. I don't know if you somehow think that the Crystal Braves and Ul'dah guards are now everywhere in Eorzea, just ready to slay random civilians (which would be really obvious...), but they aren't. Or did you fail to see the stream of soldiers coming out of Ul'dah? That is where they are residing in since they aren't even allowed in Gridania or Limsa Lominsa (you learn this by talking to NPCs in both of those cities).

You also cannot explain away the utter abandonment of Raubahn by both Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn, just by saying "politics." They'd been working with Raubahn for years, he was someone they had experienced traumatic events with, and someone that they were friends with (probably Raubahn won't want anything to do with either of them if he is ever freed... I know I wouldn't, but knowing FFXIV's writing it'll all just somehow be glazed over). What they did was turn their backs on someone who obviously needed them. I can't even look at them with any respect now, and it's sad because I liked both of them before.

Originally Posted by Elmeron

What? No. The Crystal Braves and Ul'dah don't even make up enough guards to take on both Gridania and Limsa Lominsa. I don't know if you somehow think that the Crystal Braves and Ul'dah guards are now everywhere in Eorzea, just ready to slay random civilians (which would be really obvious...), but they aren't. Or did you fail to see the stream of soldiers coming out of Ul'dah? That is where they are residing in since they aren't even allowed in Gridania or Limsa Lominsa (you learn this by talking to NPCs in both of those cities).

You also cannot explain away the utter abandonment of Raubahn by both Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn, just by saying "politics." They'd been working with Raubahn for years, he was someone they had experienced traumatic events with, and someone that they were friends with (probably Raubahn won't want anything to do with either of them if he is ever freed... I know I wouldn't, but knowing FFXIV's writing it'll all just somehow be glazed over). What they did was turn their backs on someone who obviously needed them. I can't even look at them with any respect now, and it's sad because I liked both of them before.

Here's the thing, Merlwyb and Kan-E-Senna were not at their home nations, and the Crystal Braves have just been shown to be compromised. They're not at home, so it's possible all it could easily take is 1 Linkshell call and the highest authorities outside of them in their city-states could be killed by people they aren't aware of could be assassins.

The best thing to do in this situation is to bow out and make it seem like you're not getting involved, else Limsa and Gridania could be lost in a matter of hours, long before the two leaders get back to them. They saw the cards dealt, and folded rather than continue into a losing situation. They made the right call, as much as it hurts me to say it.

But know that because they saw the Syndicate's hand and bowed out, they can now make countermeasures against the Crystal Braves without losing the City-States immediately, and thus start planning ahead to helping free Raubahn and prove the innocence of the Scions. Mark my words, sometime in Heavensward and its patches, they will help us prove our innocence and help us reclaim Ul'dah from the Syndicate.

Originally Posted by Elmeron

That is where they are residing in since they aren't even allowed in Gridania or Limsa Lominsa (you learn this by talking to NPCs in both of those cities).

This only happened after the whole event. Before it even started, you could find quite a number of crystal brave NPCs around the other city-states.

Originally Posted by Elmeron

You also cannot explain away the utter abandonment of Raubahn by both Kan-E-Senna and Merlwyb Bloefhiswyn, just by saying "politics."

They've just been told that the Sultana is dead. From that point on, the Syndicate is the one that calls the shots - not Raubahn. If you payed attention to the cutscene, Merlwyb looked as if she was eager to help, but is unable to which is signified by her cursing after being told to leave. They made a good choice. Otherwise they'll only be adding fuel to the fire.