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    Advice for Bard DPS~

    So I'm sitting at i125 bard, with zeta bow (not most optimal melds, heavy on the accuracy due to not enough money to put full crit in there.)

    In T12 with my raid group, and other than not being 100% comfortable with the fight yet as we're still in the learning phase of things, I can't seem to push more than 350 dps. Other BRD in my group wearing relitavely the same gear (his bow is optimizes with full crit full det) and he's doing 450+ DPS in T12.

    I mean, I'm putting up my DoTs, keeping Straight Shot up 100% of the time and using my cooldowns as they become available. I'm just not sure whats going on?

    I know overall I'm accuracy heavy, sitting at 562 due to no luck with coil drops other than belt. Crit is at 558, Det at 301; without food. Using HQ Apkallu omelettes for extra crit.

    I can't seem to find a decent guide that will explain where I'm lacking.

    Help. :x
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    Player Skeith-Adeline's Avatar
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    Sariena Adeline
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    Are you using Songs? Is he floating with AoE in 3rd phase?
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    Lanfear Sessurea
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    Are you handling bluefire? If so are you picking it up as redfire finishes casting? and last, do you make sure not to take bluefire as the phase is about to transition to p3? Having bluefire during p3 will rape ur dps....

    Pop ur buffs after u do redfire. Make sure ur dots are refreshed before you pick up blue fire. Bluefire makes u do basically no damage so u want to have it as little as possible ofc. DON'T accidentally use buffs when ur about to pick up bluefire and don't refresh dots when u have it either.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Skeith-Adeline View Post
    Are you using Songs? Is he floating with AoE in 3rd phase?
    I'm using ballad during the Bennu phase to keep our healers' MP at full for more Cure III potential, otherwise, no I don't use songs until that phase usually.
    And what do you mean by floating with AoE?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiichi_Zala View Post
    I'm using ballad during the Bennu phase to keep our healers' MP at full for more Cure III potential, otherwise, no I don't use songs until that phase usually.
    And what do you mean by floating with AoE?
    I always foe at p3. Our blm triple flares. Are you sure the whm needs mp in p3? Ours definitely doesn't, even with solo healing p1 to let the sch dps. I do ballad in p4 tho, if he needs it.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Sessurea View Post
    I always foe at p3. Our blm triple flares. Are you sure the whm needs mp in p3? Ours definitely doesn't, even with solo healing p1 to let the sch dps. I do ballad in p4 tho, if he needs it.
    Good point, perhaps I'll see about ballading so early. Our group is fairly new to T12, so both healers are healing hard in the first few phases, so when phase 3 hits (bennus?) their MP is at about half, and that phase has massive aoe dmg; cure III seems to be very necessary at this point so I pre-emptively ballad to make sure they don't run low.
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    Lala Felli
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    Sorry for hijacking your topic, but what is the group dps supposed to be so we can push to third phase with four bennus? Maybe I can finally convince my static to make the SCH do bluefires instead of me.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Kiichi_Zala View Post
    Good point, perhaps I'll see about ballading so early. Our group is fairly new to T12, so both healers are healing hard in the first few phases, so when phase 3 hits (bennus?) their MP is at about half, and that phase has massive aoe dmg; cure III seems to be very necessary at this point so I pre-emptively ballad to make sure they don't run low.
    Cure III should not be needed in phase 3. It also doesn't have to be very healing intensive for the WHM if the SCH is healing too. As WHM there I personally only cast Medica 2 on party (timing the first one after either first or second AoE hits depending on party HP) and keep regen up on both tanks, then focus on Cure 1s (and 2s when needed / freecure) on tanks when needed. Medica 2 does very nice HoT on whole party between the AoEs. I only cast Medica 1 if the group is for any reason at low HP right before AoE.

    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    Sorry for hijacking your topic, but what is the group dps supposed to be so we can push to third phase with four bennus? Maybe I can finally convince my static to make the SCH do bluefires instead of me.
    Our group uses LB on boss in phase 2 (it's LB1 I think...might be LB2, not sure and can't check now) and we're close to 3 bennus (usually get 4). We get 1 blackfire set in phase 1 and move to phase 2 when 2nd set is about to appear.
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    Last edited by Taika; 03-19-2015 at 10:21 PM.

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    Quote Originally Posted by Boss_Koivula View Post
    Sorry for hijacking your topic, but what is the group dps supposed to be so we can push to third phase with four bennus? Maybe I can finally convince my static to make the SCH do bluefires instead of me.
    It's around 2350 Party DPS

    Quote Originally Posted by Kiichi_Zala View Post
    So I'm sitting at i125 bard, with zeta bow
    Is that 350 DPS for the completion of the fight?

    It would be good to know what your damage is on Dummy over 4 minutes to see if you have all your priorities down.

    The bard in my group did around 390 at i124 with the Augmented Bow, doing the Blue Fire mechanic.
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    Last edited by Judge_Xero; 03-20-2015 at 12:55 AM.
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    It would be a lot easier to figure out where you're losing dps if I could watch a video of you doing t12. If you want to make a recording and post the link I'll give it a looksie and see if I can't find anything that clearly needs improvement. Short of that all I can say is if you wanna improve your dps you gotta be greedier, yell at your healers until they dont need ballad, make your healers do redfire so you can dps nonstop, multidot bennus, etc.
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