8 man "raids" = final content?

[Wintersandman]

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What games out there support what you are looking for?

Also I don't see how you can state that the game doesn't support large guilds? It obviously does as there are Free Companies (Guilds) with 500+ members.

It just doesn't support the type of 'end game' raids you would like. Also I prefer the more ad hoc raiding culture that this game supports. I have put in some serious hours into the game so I couldn't really be considered a casual. But you may not define me as hardcore as I still have yet to step foot in FCOB.

There is even the Savage Content that even less have touched let alone cleared. You should get leveled up and then gauge the complexity of what currently exists.

[SpookyGhost]

Try Wildstar.

[Wintersandman]

Try Wildstar.

It sounds good even though I can't stand the characters.

[Nekrage]

The devs are not gonna drop the way that they've designed things because it's been working for them just fine. They're not about to 'see the folly of their ways' because you threaten to take 'hundreds of players with you'.

You haven't even started on that content yet. Maybe you'll cleave through it with no problem. You'll have your G1-10 running and taking care of business no problem, down T5, T9,. and finally T13 in weeks after hitting 50. If you do, then you can start complaining. As it stands right now you're getting frustrated over something you haven't even experienced yet.

Why not take your massive guild and go start up a Private WoW server or FFXI server, because that sounds like what you want.

I didnt threaten a thing. Posted a FACT. And I dont play private servers, its not right.

[Nekrage]

Try Wildstar.

Couldn't get into it : (

Not into the entire sci-fi thing. And the semi-action combat just didn't feel right.

[Wournsfeik_Untawhasyn]

I didnt threaten a thing. Posted a FACT. And I dont play private servers, its not right.

Yeah... I'll just take you at face value here and run from that: Hundreds do not outweigh the thousands (and that's conservative, given active subscriptions last we heard) that SE has attracted to FFXIV. Like a drop in the water. So even if it were a fact, it's still barely more than a idle threat.

Which in this case is an action that you've stated which obviously means to have an impact but honestly just sounds like a statistic to me without citation.

[Wintersandman]

Couldn't get into it : (

Not into the entire sci-fi thing. And the semi-action combat just didn't feel right.

Sounds like you have a serious dilemma. No game exists that satisfies what you're looking for. No baby WoW and FFXIV doesn't support your preferred raid size.

[Callinon]

Sounds like you have a serious dilemma. No game exists that satisfies what you're looking for. No baby WoW and FFXIV doesn't support your preferred raid size.

Actually Wildstar is the only game I've heard of that's made an effort at the huge raids of yesteryear, and my understanding is that it was a colossal failure.

Apparently organizing 40 people is just as much of a logistical nightmare now as it was ten years ago. Weird.

[Rubicon]

I just don't see SE doing this. A large draw of this game is because of its casual content.

Putting together 24 people doesn't fall in the range of the casual players.

Of course this is subjective to what you consider casual.

This hits the nail on the head... at least for now. 2.0 was very casual. I have hope that 3.0+ will put more difficulty and specialization into the game. Something tells me more 24 man stuff will be at the end of the 3.0 storyline.

[Whiston]

Couldn't get into it : (

Not into the entire sci-fi thing. And the semi-action combat just didn't feel right.

You really aught to design your own game then.
"hard-core no baby REAL MMO, dragon themed, no semi action combat, with 24-60 man raids"

Give me a shout when it finds commercial success.