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    Malevicton's Avatar
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    Agree wholeheartedly - which feels strange after that last thread, but w/e

    Other examples

    t5: someone drops a conflag right in the group. Just move away from him, easy-peezy.

    Angry Mainyu: Had the tank turn him towards a different direction once. Suddenly everyone forgot how the red/blue mechanic worked.

    Cloud of Darkness: People, either trolling or on accident, dragging the first aoe through people. Sure, he shouldn't drag em through the group, but did you not see the series of explosions headed your way?

    Edit: Makado brings up a good point as well. Most people just execute the guide without knowing why the guide works. Hard to think of a plan B on the fly when you don't even know why plan A was working.
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    Last edited by Malevicton; 04-01-2015 at 03:30 AM.

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    Murah Jhida
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    looking specifically at fcob, there's a lot of situations where truly good play can be adaptive if someone fails their job:

    -wrong way on tethers? compensate or kill your partner depending on whether or not streams will cross
    -<insert t10 mechanic> here? holmgang, hallowed ground, heavy use of mitigation buffs can save a target that's going to fire electric burst. be ready to accept losses and top off for electric bursts if you're having problems, you're i~125 now, n b d
    -bad brand touch? are you twelve or something just pass it back to the designated target(s) next flames cast
    -never forget that anyone can touch bluefire
    -never forget that anyone can be in the fountain of fire
    -never forget that basically anyone can do any t12 mechanic with sufficient healing

    -why am i a hildibrand

    also: if your healers are playing catchup and can't prep for high raidwide damage like nerve cloud, flames of rebirth, etc, never forget that you have a tank lb (not really applicable for giga flare since you need to save meter, but that's because bahamut is designed to be a fight that tests your ability to stay consistent)
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    video games are bad

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    Quote Originally Posted by Malevicton View Post
    Agree wholeheartedly - which feels strange after that last thread, but w/e
    People are going to have disagreements at times even the best of friends :P

    The guides may be the biggest issue. Perhaps the problem lies in a disconnect of understanding of what exactly the mechanics are DOING. I'm only able to adapt to fights because I know what the mechanics are actually doing. But if all I knew was that a guide told me this way works then it becomes infinitely harder to adapt and therefore a lot more wipes tend to happen.
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    Yoongi Mio
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    I've found that the reason why people don't adapt to certain failure of mechanics or deaths of certain DPS or one tank, is that people just give up.

    I know that as a healer for our FCoB, when a death happens at a bad part, our DPS lose focus and the WHM in my group becomes scatter-brained. I'm not even sure why that is because these fights are more forgiving in getting back up on your feet than the SCoB that came before it.

    For us, one time that actually happened...

    T11, tethers. Something happened and two groups just failed at it really hard. Our WHM was losing it MP wise, did a raise and went to helping tanks, and I just decided that I didn't feel like raising three other people. So I just WHM LB3'd and we finished the fight just fine with a Protect back up. Our DPS was strong enough that we made it before enrage.

    With T10 charges, if too many people get hit by the heat lightning, just let the one person die. Better than having multiple die.

    T12? Our group finds this turn so easy so we've never had any problems.

    T13? Well...any death, I just end up smacking the WHM upside the head.
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