The abandons need to be dealt with

[Aushi]

Everyone knows, if you leave a dungeon, raid, etc, you get a penalty. Sure.
Everyone also knows you can avoid said penalty by simply disconnecting from the game. You force your party to kick you, and bam! No penalty for you!

I just had to wait 42 minutes in the Steps of Faith because someone disconnected during the dragon's odd entrance through closed gates. The game got stuck in the battle because someone was disconnected (due to a rage-quit). We couldn't kick him, it was a battle. We couldn't leave, we couldn't abandon. We were stuck waiting for almost an hour. Why? Because of the darn loophole to avoid the penalty. Sure, I could have disconnected, done something else in the mean time (since when I logged back on, I would be in the trial still), but it would still be waiting for the trial to end -.-

Something needs to be done about this loophole. Either give the ability to vote kick/abandon once the party has a disconnected member, OR kick the member if they have been gone for more than 5 minutes and give them a slightly less penalty for it, 5 minutes or so (so people don't just disconnect to keep avoiding penalty). ALL of this during battle, I mean.

Now, my net is horrible, I get a LOT of disconnects that I don't plan, but the small penalty price I don't mind paying to avoid situations like this -.-

[Chukkaque]

Why couldn't you kick him?

[Slirith]

Why couldn't you kick him?

can't kick in combat...that's if what they mean by "a battle"

[Eidolon]

Why couldn't you kick him?

This right here:

The game got stuck in the battle because someone was disconnected (due to a rage-quit). -

This is the issue that made it so they couldn't kick the person. If you are in combat, you are not permitted to initiate a vote dismiss (Try it out sometime - try to do one during a boss. It won't let you.)

So it sounds like they just got screwed by a mechanic on it by someone who either got genuinly dc'd (They were gone 45 minutes... Come on. If it was someone taking advantage of the system, it'd be 10-15 min, max as they try to get back in to reque to a new party) or by someone who just rage quit out.

[Chukkaque]

Oh I guess I never noticed that was a thing! Mostly because when we ran MS and got to lahabreh we ended up kicking a WHM due to d/cing and being offline too long. But I suppose when I look back at it, they were kicked just before we actually started fighting him.

[Takfloyd]

I thought this thread would be about ragequitters in parties forcing a duty abandon when half the members want to continue even if it means replenishing players.

That is the problem I have too often.

[myahele]

yup. why bother with the 30m penalty when you can just afk/dc and get kicked?

Although isn't there an auto kick function if you afk for 10m?

[Eidolon]

yup. why bother with the 30m penalty when you can just afk/dc and get kicked?

Although isn't there an auto kick function if you afk for 10m?

Does not count down while DC'd

[Sove92]

Getting stuck when Vishap breaks the gate is definitely a bug, send a report about it.

[Aushi]

Oh I understand it was a bug, but a bug mainly initiated by someone ragequitting, it just got me all annoyed about how many times I've had to abandon duties because of people like that, this was the straw that broke the camels back xD It's a loophole everyone knows exists and it should be dealt with.

And honestly, sure there's a possibility it was a disconnect without purpose. I mean one person disconnected and then a couple of seconds later someone else followed, in their conversation they didn't seem to be friends or anything, though I could be wrong. I just find it too much of a coincidence that two people leave just when the dragon "should" break the gates, specially when neither of them had the red "disconnecting" sign in their names. I don't know how reliable that is, but whenever I see someone honestly disconnect, I always see that red disconnect sign.

It wasn't the first group that happened (though the glitch did NOT repeat itself). All day trying to pass that trial (still haven't) has been littered with players leaving, I just couldn't really believe that all day, a lot of people were having bad internet issues >.>; In the other groups a kick was able to be made since we didn't get glitched. And it's a problem in general, when the penalty wasn't a thing, people would leave, I would rarely see a disconnect. Now people with "bad internet" are a super common problem... I don't find it a coincidence. Heck I've been that person who convinces the others to NOT kick (if it's a dps or a tank in a low lvl), said player usually comes back 5, 10, even 15 minutes in. I've had one who came back just at the beginning of the last boss rofl All of them embarrasses and shocked we never kicked, of course, they'd leave right away again x-) But it's a thing. When we DONT need another player, I try to convince NOT to kick, so they HAVE to wait for us to finish the dng anyways :B But it shouldn't come down to that x.x Some penalty SHOULD be given for people using that loophole

I've never abandoned a duty on purpose, where I'm from, our internet is laughable, at best. I have constant disconnects, I wouldn't mind having a 10 minute-ish penalty, besides, if it IS an honest disconnect, you probably wouldn't be back in time anyways. SURE, the penalty being LESS would still invite people to do it. That's why I thought of just letting the votes happen during the battle as well. No penalty, just the availability of a replacement during the fight. Sure, in regular dungeons the person wouldn't be able to join the boss fight, but during the fight the player can be found, instead of initiating the search after.