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  1. #81
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphel View Post
    If you read carefully, I did mention that no items nor abilities were used at all in my post. R300 is brutal in the sense that there's little obstacles so it's a straight up raw-power, stat-based race against NPCs who aren't crippled by the usual traps.
    Okay, when you used really nothing, then the only way that you reach the goal with 14% stamina is, that you did not sprint the whole way. But you will no win any race in R-300 without sprinting at least 90% of the race track. My chocobo wins races, because she can sprint all the way without a break. There is little, very little room to save some stamina, but it's not much.
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  2. #82
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    Yes now that I've raced plenty of times now in R300, it's pretty evident that it's a mad dash from start to end. Everyone's sprinting almost at the speed of Dash (meaning Dash doesn't help you get out of that Briar because your opponents are basically running at the speed of Dash). This Dash ability helped a ton in the lower races but in here it's just an ability to partially overcome that Heavy and a stamina-saver, which is fair enough I guess.

    Getting hit by a Heavy or a Baccus on you at this stage guarantees that you can't finish 1st unless you picked up a powerup to counter that loss in speed/stamina (RNG). This makes defensive abilities really useful, if not almost mandatory to consistently place 1st. I've always looked forward to R300 thinking it was some sort of ultimate racing bracket. But now that I'm in it, I'm not sure if I'm all that happy about it. Will have to race more to find out.
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    Last edited by Aphel; 04-06-2015 at 08:20 PM.

  3. #83
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aphel View Post
    On the 1/100 chance that you really do not know how to conserve stamina, maintain your speed just before lathered state (W then release, W then release, etc). You'll get the fastest speed without the extra stamina drain from Lathered.
    you might be the only one who does it like this... ive never seen or heared of anyone doing this with success. could you explain a little better? you dont see lathered state at all by anticipating when it hits and release W right before? when i do the press W + release thing i walk like a snail.. i have low endurance though.
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  4. #84
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    Quote Originally Posted by Alexiell View Post
    you might be the only one who does it like this... ive never seen or heared of anyone doing this with success. could you explain a little better? you dont see lathered state at all by anticipating when it hits and release W right before? when i do the press W + release thing i walk like a snail.. i have low endurance though.
    You can play around with this a bit, to save some Stamina at the cost of speed, since it takes a little (little) while, until you reach normal walking speed. Problem is, that this does not work in R-300 anymore, because the NPC are that fast, that you MUST run - if you want to win or reach a good place. You can still save a little, little, little Stamina, but even less.
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  5. #85
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    Hmm? I thought it was kinda common knowledge. I guess SE didn't explain the basics well enough.

    Whenever a Chocobo is running (non-lathered state), stamina consumption is ideal - Economical. However you won't be able to reach your max speed potential.
    Whenever a Chocobo is sprinting (enters lathered state), stamina consumption is drastically increased - Huge stamina drain. You can reach your full speed when you accelerate while in lathered state.

    So yes, when you want to conserve stamina you'll want to maintain your Chocobo's speed juuuuuust before lathered state. So W, release, W, release, depending on the terrain: When you're running downhill your speed is faster and you'll hit lathered state faster (3rd Sagolii Box onwards, for example) so you'll have to adjust to that. You're consuming your stamina economically. You can last but you won't be that fast.

    When your Chocobo accelerates for a period during lathered state you'll eventually reach your max speed. You're at the fastest state that your Chocobo can be, but you're essentially burning your stamina in favor of speed.

    Your accelerate stat determines how long you have to push W (during lathered state) to reach your max speed.
    Your endurance determines how high your speed threshold is before you hit lathered state (still unconfirmed but I'm fairly certain).



    That's why I drew this up to illustrate. Keep your speed before that red arrow to conserve stamina, accelerate into lathered state to reach your full speed (but really burn stamina in the process). The higher your endurance, the further that red arrow will be.
    If your endurance is low, you'll have to accelerate a longer period while in lathered state to reach your max speed. You'll have to burn your stamina inefficiently for a longer period of time before you hit your speed potential.



    While this managing of lathered state is somewhat key in lower ranked races, it's rather useless in R300 like Robin said. Everyone's burning their stamina inefficiently, all running at the speed of Dash. Perhaps it's still viable in the longer races like Tranquil Paths but in Sagolii you'll be sprinting for your life (and missing Boxes because of that). When you stop to conserve stamina, the NPCs are right behind you. Not to mention that the NPCs at high levels are really good at blocking you; most of the time they all run the shortest line in the race. In order to overtake them you'll have to take a wider, more time-consuming route. Everything happens so quickly, you can't really afford to make mistakes.

    Sorry for the image-spam.
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    Last edited by Aphel; 04-07-2015 at 01:41 AM.

  6. #86
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    The blocking can be annoying, especially since it is visually not very accurate. One NPC is going on your lane - behind you! - suddenly you slow down. Hu? What's up? Yeah, this guy (visually) behind you just started some grab attack! Also works really nice, when they are at your side, still blocking your movement. -.-

    I got a 60kbit connection and normally no lag. So it's not really me. But you learn to live with it...
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    @Aphel
    ok thanks. i read your other thread about this, but in your last post it sounded like you can reach max speed without lathered. thanks for clarifying
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  8. #88
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    Uhm.. So much hate from my post eh Aphel.. I am only reporting in what I am experiencing, I got over 4000 races done and there is something that happens once you reach the 140~ races, it's like your stamina drain goes up alot or something.
    Since I made my first post I did some more testing with letting go each time I see Lathered and let the speed glide by itself a bit before holding W a little and then letting go and I had better results. If the rain weather kicks in my max speed drops and stamina drain even faster, but its better than what it was pre 2.55 atleast.
    But like in my first post, I am still experiencing problems with stamina, call me troll all you want, I dont understand where your sudden hate came from. I am here to learn how to do races better aswell~ So I really dont like it when you call me dishonest.

    Edit: I read your post and its really nice info, so thank you for that~ Maybe I am doing something wrong so tell me that instead going out on me like that.
    Also at 500 Speed, even with 500 End. you hit lathered quite fast, I would like to hear about your races once you get up to this stage aswell.
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    Last edited by YakushiHinata; 04-07-2015 at 08:43 AM.

  9. #89
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    Quote Originally Posted by YakushiHinata View Post
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    I found it very unlikely that someone with a P9 Chocobo didn't know how to conserve stamina and so made a hasty judgement.

    I sincerely apologize for my actions.
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    Just gonna leave this here :V
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