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  1. #51
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    Applesnap's Avatar
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    Coco Delouix
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    Zodiark
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    Paladin Lv 90
    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    For what it's worth, FFXIV often uses the term star instead of the word planet because many on Hydaelyn don't really comprehend what a planet is in comparison to the lights in the sky. For all they know, each one is a world of Light holding against the Darkness.
    True, but considering both of the participants in this dialogue, we know they know better. Square-Enix themselves specifically explained that cultural fact through story dialogue though, so it precludes any possibility they're now treating us as fellow inhabitants of Hydaelyn. Unless they forgot that they told us ...
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  2. #52
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    Riepah Redeemer
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    Quote Originally Posted by Anonymoose View Post
    It's not the ambiguous fade to black / white / flames that not-death-deaths can take advantage of (see: the scions), she hits the floor and NPCs give their he's-dead-Jims, and then Raubahn loses everything over it. For SE, going back on that would be... complicated.
    To be fair, the only ones who have seen her "dead" are our characters, the handmaiden, Teledji and the handful of guards who arrived at the scene. Teledji proclaimed her "dead" without even taking a closer look, and "determined" that she was poisoned from a cup lying on the floor. Nobody at all took a closer look at the scene - naturally, because Teledji, the handmaiden and, most likely, that handful of guards, already knew this would happen - and as far as we know, no trustworthy person ever got to take a look at either the body or the poison. Raubahn went mad at the CLAIM that she was dead, he (and everybody else that we know of) was kept from seeing her body. It is very possible that she is alive.
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  3. #53
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    Dee Aenu
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    Quote Originally Posted by lololink View Post
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    Covered the Answer just in case.
    Then why didn't he correct her or said anything regarding that, I get more the feeling that everything is according to plan ... but it's not his and he knows it.
    Hell this whole thing is strange to begin with, the Monetarists already have all the power so a dramatic Powerplay like this seems incredible weird. yes they got the Sultana out of the way but in killing her they knew it would piss off every Sultana Loyal in Ul'Dah.
    Honestly it seems like a plan to specifically harm the Scions and the WoL, while the Scions always avoided being controlled they never fought the Monetarists directly so this is really strange.
    Also the Timing of the Dragon Attack, there is no way they could have planned that if they didn't know about it beforehand to get the Ishgardians out.
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  4. #54
    Player TheWaywardWind's Avatar
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    Alexander Miller
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    I'm pretty impressed over the direction Square decided to take with this. I was expecting some vanilla-as-hell ending that ends with us saving Ishgard to the point where they welcome us with open arms within their walls. I was nowhere NEAR expecting any of this. My mind is still struggling to comprehend it. It's amazing and horrifying to me at the same time.

    Also, as a Gridanian, I'm disgusted with the direction that Merylwyb and Ken-E-Senna took. Raubahn has his god damned arm sliced off, and all they can do is watch over with horror as Ul'dah is over thrown, their friend mercileslly beaten, and the warrior of light thrown in chains while the scions are placed under arrest? What the hell?

    They made a promise to Nanamo that they would ensure for Ul'dah's safety once Nanamo abdicated. And instead, what do they do? They high-tail it out of there. They say nothing, just promptly remove themselves as swiftly as possible. Not even a single declaration is made in their respective city-states that the Warrior of Light is innocent. No, instead they'll let the rumors fester while we clean up the mess.

    I don't know who I'm fed up with more now, Ishgard for being a bunch of hypocrites or Gridania and Limsa for being a bunch of cowards.
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  5. #55
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    Nutritious Delicious
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    If you talk to the faction Commanders they know you're innocent.

    Gridania

    Vorsaile Heuloix: We are aware of the vile accusations leveled against you. Suffice it to say we give them no credit. As ever, you are welcome here in Gridania, and may continue about your business unhindered. The Elder Seedseer herself has decreed this.
    Vorsaile Heuloix: And though we cannot offer you much in the way of assistance, so long as you have the freedom to act, we do not doubt that you will soon put matters to rights. May the elementals watch over you.


    Limsa Lominsa

    R'ashaht Rhiki: The Admiral informed me of your unjust treatment at the hands of the Ul'dahns. 'Tis not a tale known by many─the report was given only to the Maelstrom's upper echelons, so you'll not need to explain yourself to every commoner on the street.
    R'ashaht Rhiki: If I ever come across the scoundrels who framed you, however, they will certainly be explaining themselves to me!


    Ul'dah

    Swift: Marshal Tarupin bade me relay this message to you. All knowledge of the incident is being withheld from the public, and things shall remain as they were in Ul'dah...at least on the surface.
    Swift: You doubtless burn to act─to see justice served. So do we all. However, we must bide our time, for a single misstep could trigger a civil war, and Ul'dah would tear itself apart.
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  6. #56
    Player TheWaywardWind's Avatar
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    Simply relaying messages to Grand Company faction leaders is not enough. PR is important when it comes to dealing with delicate politics such as these. My point is this - while they do have their own problems to deal with, they're essentially ignoring Nanamo's plea for their aid when they would need it the most and they're letting people of the city-states become corrupted by false accusations made by one single greedy lalafell.

    Ul'dah has always been the one to bolster the other two when they need it most - the city-state agreed to aid Gridania despite getting almost nothing in return for it, especially considering the Lominsans were being greedy and only agreed to the alliance in the first place to receive compensation to bolster their arms.

    Same during the Autumn War, where it also aided Gridania in repelling Ala Mhigan forces.

    Despite all of this, I have to say, the interactions and politics between the city-states and the geopolitical nature of everything is one of the most fascinating aspects of the game.
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    Last edited by TheWaywardWind; 04-01-2015 at 11:58 AM.

  7. #57
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    Galyn Grimm
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    All of them will call for us again when Titan Landslide everyone in limsa to the sea and being eating by leviathan. Garuda spawn plume every corner in Gridania while Ramuh getting mad that even WOL can be easily taking down by this.
    for Ul'dah they will continuous playing game of throne while Ifirt spawn nail around Ul'dah prepare for Inferno.

    sry I'm busy in ishgard.
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    Last edited by Veqluna; 04-01-2015 at 12:22 PM.

  8. #58
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    Swygnebb Ahldhyltsyn
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    Quote Originally Posted by Veqluna View Post
    All of them will call for us again when Titan Landslide everyone in limsa to the sea and being eating by leviathan. Garuda spawn plume every corner in Gridania while Ramuh getting mad that even WOL can be easily taking down by this.
    for Ul'dah they will continuous playing game of throne while Ifirt spawn nail around Ul'dah prepare for Inferno.

    sry I'm busy in ishgard.
    After everything that's happened, I'll be happy to answer the call of both, Gridania and Limsa Lominsa.
    Ul'dah though, if Ifrit or some other primal attacks, I'll be happy to sit back and watch them burn (who wants roasted monetarists?).
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  9. #59
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    Dererk Titan
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    Ultros
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    Its actuly more complicated than the other city states not doing anything Nanamo involved them in her plan what she intends to do and asks them to help Raban once it happens to keep order.

    But once she was killed that plan died with her with no ruler to disband the syndicate the rich elit are free to rule. To step in right now with just he said she said as justification to take them down from power would just result in a war with the lower classes not knowing any better. And yes the evidence that the monetarist is false but it's still he said she said but they have their physical evidence to back up their claim.

    Also don't forget Ishgard is at a turning point in their war with the dragons Garmald is regaining their forces for another attempted conquest of Erozea you tear Ul dah up with a war mind as well put up a giant sign saying.

    HEY LOOK WE GOT BIG PROBLEMS GOING ON OVER HERE WER WEAK ATTACK HERE.

    the only way it will be resolved with out the stuff above happening is if they get evidence or turn a person who's part in the conspiracy.
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    Last edited by Dererk; 04-01-2015 at 12:57 PM.

  10. #60
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    Varsir Ishtear
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    Dammit, why Laurentius, why did you betray again!?
    Wilred and Alianne were so innocent QQ

    Ugh, I had hoped that Ilberd wasn't one of the traitors, but I guess my jealousy theory was right after all. Yuyuase's betrayal wasn't much of a surprise, wouldn't stop talking about coin each time he breathed.


    Overall, very good story development.
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    The rains have ceased, and we have been graced with another beautiful day. But you are not here to see it..

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