Thread: Revelations from Patch 2.55 [SPOILERS]

Originally Posted by myahele

I wish that sleep was used against us to knock us out instead of how it played out.

Remember when we were ambushed by the amaljaa? One of the amaljaa thaumaturge casted sleep on the player. That was very effective use of disabling us despite having our weapons drawn and prepared to defend against the attack

THAT would be okay. I got no problem at all, that they planed this through and found a way to get us. But we just ran away. WE decided to do nothing at all and ran and ran and ran and ran till we reach the skies...

It's so uber cowardish and I simply can't see any reason for this behavior we are forced to.

Originally Posted by Riepah

1.) There was no cutscene to imply that we surrendered our weapons.
2.) There was no reason for anybody to try and ask us to surrender our weapons. As the cutscene makes clear, the Sultana trusts us thoroughly. Merlwyb was allowed to have her weapons in the Sultana's chamber as well, so there is no general "No weapons in Sultana's chamber" rule.
3.) Nobody in their right mind would surrender their weapon in a place like Ul'dah when it's under the Brass Blades' watch, when everyone knows the Brass Blades are far from reliable.
4.) You suggest they make us surrender our weapons, but still allow a PLD or WAR in with full armor? Do you think they're dumb enough to think that it'd take more than plate gloves to kill an unarmed Lalafell girl when nobody is around?

It's pointless to tell them the facts. They don't want to hear/read them. They will deny them over and over again.

Originally Posted by PArcher

I can't be the only one tired of seeing people insisting their skewed version of events is the correct way, despite the story saying otherwise.

This is the lore forum, not some "what if" RP forum

As said many times, it is indeed the story. But it is a forced story, as if we had to read a book where the main character suddenly behaves stupid, so the story can go on. And people should tell this the story write, so he/she maybe will stop doing such forced things. Especially in a G A M E, where the players control the main character, not the author.

I'm not even frustrated anymore. I'm more entertained at the hypocrisy; people have no trouble surrendering control over their character when you're getting praise and acclaim heaped on you, but the moment that leads to you being painted in a bad light that's unfair? Funny how that works.

Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

It's pointless to tell them the facts. They don't want to hear/read them. They will deny them over and over again.

Facts? What facts? The only pertinent FACT is that by playing the game, you have signed an unwritten contract to the developers to relinquish control of your character to them during cutscenes. That way you go where and do what the story tells you to do, for better or worse. It's the basis of the (MMO)JRPG genre.

Don't despair, though. If you don't like this irrefutable, immutable FACT, there is a way to overcome it and create an alternate ending or scenario. Yep! It's really quite simple!

You stop playing the game.

Originally Posted by Cilia

I'm not even frustrated anymore. I'm more entertained at the hypocrisy; people have no trouble surrendering control over their character when you're getting praise and acclaim heaped on you, but the moment that leads to you being painted in a bad light that's unfair? Funny how that works.



Facts? What facts? The only pertinent FACT is that by playing the game, you have signed an unwritten contract to the developers to relinquish control of your character to them during cutscenes. That way you go where and do what the story tells you to do, for better or worse. It's the basis of the (MMO)JRPG genre.

Don't despair, though. If you don't like this irrefutable, immutable FACT, there is a way to overcome it and create an alternate ending or scenario. Yep! It's really quite simple!

You stop playing the game.

They are selling a product. If someone is selling you chocolate, but it's just paper or the wrong taste, you would say, that they tricked you. It's the same when I play a ROLE PLAY game and can't ROLE PLAY, because I'm simply forced to look at my character being turned into something completely different by an author who should not do this.

There are simply core rules in game design. Taking the control over the character is one of the big nogo's and even cutscenes for the mood are... not actually good, they are neutral. But the worst is, if you force the character of the player into doing something she or he would never do.

Of course you CAN do this. As a developer you could also just put the picture of penguins playing football into a game which got nothing to do with penguins or football. But you shouldn't.

And these rules are far older than you and don't care what you or I say about them.

Yes, Square can do what they want. They actually DO what they want, that's why this story is forced and - down to the control over our own character - out of our control. It IS like that. That is also a fact. But there is really, really, really, really no reason to like that.

The control over your own character is one of the primal core rules of game design. And the more the own character is forced into strange behavior, the worse it it.

That's a simply fact of game design AND story writing in games. No matter if you, or me, or whoever is accepts this or not.

IF we could control our character, but the situation simply does not allow it to be solved by us, because we lack the power to do so, that would be 100% okay. No one says, that everything must be beatable, this rule does not exists in case of story elements ( of course in actual gameplay you must have the chance to "win").

Someone at Square may read my or other complains and think about it or not. I don't know what you are writing all your posts for. Just to troll? I don't know. I don't follow your posts and troll you like that, for what?

Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

THAT would be okay. I got no problem at all, that they planed this through and found a way to get us. But we just ran away. WE decided to do nothing at all and ran and ran and ran and ran till we reach the skies...

It's so uber cowardish and I simply can't see any reason for this behavior we are forced to.


It's pointless to tell them the facts. They don't want to hear/read them. They will deny them over and over again.


As said many times, it is indeed the story. But it is a forced story, as if we had to read a book where the main character suddenly behaves stupid, so the story can go on. And people should tell this the story write, so he/she maybe will stop doing such forced things. Especially in a G A M E, where the players control the main character, not the author.

Originally Posted by Cilia

I'm not even frustrated anymore. I'm more entertained at the hypocrisy; people have no trouble surrendering control over their character when you're getting praise and acclaim heaped on you, but the moment that leads to you being painted in a bad light that's unfair? Funny how that works.



Facts? What facts? The only pertinent FACT is that by playing the game, you have signed an unwritten contract to the developers to relinquish control of your character to them during cutscenes. That way you go where and do what the story tells you to do, for better or worse. It's the basis of the (MMO)JRPG genre.

Don't despair, though. If you don't like this irrefutable, immutable FACT, there is a way to overcome it and create an alternate ending or scenario. Yep! It's really quite simple!

You stop playing the game.

Look enought of this, you guys went too far of the original Topic that was talked here. Now this is just ridculus, One that that says nonsess things and doesnt wanna hear orthers opinions, and the order that keeps insisting and it only makes this discuccion even longer and longer, give up she will never change she's opinion.

Heavensward comes on 2 months, just have little more pacient, then we will now who was right and who not.

You ever have that feeling like someone was repeating something that they keep saying over and over and over again but you can't actually see the person because they are invisible? DX is there a ghost...? I'm scared ;^;

<3 it is going to be so much fun heading back to Ul'dah on my terms in the future, or however else square has the story planned out for dealing with all the many people that need cut down to size~ its going to be awesome

Don't tell me not to get in internet fights with people! This is very important stuff that has long-reaching consequences!

But, I suppose you are right. Perhaps I should make a separate topic so I can continue my internet fights with people.

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Meh, too much effort.