Revelations from Patch 2.55 [SPOILERS]

**axemtitanium** · 04-23-2015 02:55 AM

You can't use DoL Stealth or Ninja Hide for the same reason you can't Teleport: you still have aggro. Shukuchi has a limited range of a whopping 20 yalms (equivalent to 20 yards) and you can't teleport through walls, or even to places where you don't have line of sight. So that's out.

**Cilia** · 04-23-2015 02:16 PM

Originally Posted by axemtitanium

You can't use DoL Stealth or Ninja Hide for the same reason you can't Teleport: you still have aggro. Shukuchi has a limited range of a whopping 20 yalms (equivalent to 20 yards) and you can't teleport through walls, or even to places where you don't have line of sight. So that's out.

Well DoL Stealth probably wasn't available anyway, since the game (probably) checks to see if you're a Lv50 DoW/DoM before you trigger the cutscenes; changing clothes is instantaneous for gameplay reasons, but from the story's perspective it does take time you didn't have while fleeing (see: every time you make new garb for someone during a Weaver quest). While Shukuchi does have a limited range, you still could have used it to bypass the guards, lay down a Doton to slow their pursuit, and fled out and down the Royal Promenade and into greater Thanalan. Maybe. "Tight guard" and all. Then Teledji couldn't say "S/he had this vial on him/her that had the poison used to kill the Sultana!" and their entire plan would slowly crumble.

But... not everyone is a Ninja, and the game can't assume you are.

**RobinRethiel** · 04-23-2015 07:36 AM

Don't argue with gameplay mechanics. And after we have left the and have a nice chat with the Scions to kill some time until the first parts of the "army" arrives, we for sure got no aggro at all.

And for the 1789312th time:
it would have been enough if we didn't chat all the time and just run away. Even those sacrifices had to wait to get killed/captured.

And indeed, after all this it would have been an idea to sneak into Uldah and get the murderer or free Raubbahn or whatever. Maybe it would fail, who knows, the chances are not THAT bad. Or we could just scare Lolo a bit. Better not leave your room...

**axemtitanium** · 04-24-2015 02:05 AM

It's not gameplay mechanics. Ninja/rogues within FFXIV lore literally cannot use their ability to Hide if they are actively being pursued by an enemy, line of sight or not. Ninja, within the lore of the game, have a max range of 20y for their Shukuchi ability. The magic spell "Teleport", which is an ability that all adventurers learn, has an in-game cast time of 1 minute and 40 seconds of concentrated effort which cannot be interrupted for that whole time in order to succeed. These aren't gameplay mechanics. This is lore, son.

**RobinRethiel** · 04-24-2015 03:20 AM

Originally Posted by axemtitanium

It's not gameplay mechanics. Ninja/rogues within FFXIV lore literally cannot use their ability to Hide if they are actively being pursued by an enemy, line of sight or not. Ninja, within the lore of the game, have a max range of 20y for their Shukuchi ability. The magic spell "Teleport", which is an ability that all adventurers learn, has an in-game cast time of 1 minute and 40 seconds of concentrated effort which cannot be interrupted for that whole time in order to succeed. These aren't gameplay mechanics. This is lore, son.

There is no "in combat" lore-wise. "In combat" is a game mechanic. Lore wise they maybe can't just vanish, sure. But that's a point of line of sight, not in fight. And as said, we are out of fight for sure after leaving Raubahn behind.

Anyway, the most important point would be crowd control. Slow, stun, sleep and so on. Run and use what you got to hinder the movement of mere soldiers.

**Cilia** · 04-24-2015 02:40 AM

Well yes, but the Hide skill wouldn't even be strictly necessary. Just use Shukuchi to bypass the four guards and Teledji, then sprint and use Doton / Hyoton to slow the pursuit of your would-be captors until you make it out to Thanalan and you can get them to lose your trail by going all the way to Southern Thanalan and running through Zahar'ak into the Sagolii Desert, or through Eastern Thanalan and into the Black Shroud if you have to. I doubt they'd follow you through Amalj'aa territory and their jurisdiction is limited to the Thanalan region.

But since we don't know the layout of the palace's interior and the game can't assume you're a Ninja...

**myahele** · 04-24-2015 03:21 AM

Yda could use LB3, so why could we use LB 3?

**RobinRethiel** · 04-24-2015 03:28 AM

Cutscenes.
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...ePowerToTheMax <- Yda, Ilberd for example
http://tvtropes.org/pmwiki/pmwiki.ph...neIncompetence <- WoL, partly Scions for example

It's quite typical, else there would not trope about it.

**gamesmart** · 04-24-2015 03:46 AM

Originally Posted by RobinRethiel

stuff

Yda doesn't just drop a Final Heaven out of nowhere. Papalymo casted some sort of spell on her (most likely Aura) that gave her the ability to unleash an attack that would normally require the combined power of 8 people. (Also, Papalymo's Fire IIs still hit for I believe over 1k damage, which is more than an i130 BLM can say. He's more skilled at thaumaturgy than we are, if anything.)

The only time we saw Ilberd actually fight before 2.55 was I believe in 2.4's story, more specifically the instanced fight in Northern Thanalan during The Reason Roaille. And I'm pretty sure he held his own.

As for some of the other Scions, sure, there might be a trope in play...but - and you seem to want to ignore this fact despite overwhelming proof that it is fact - the Warrior of Light did not have a weapon. I can't really drop a Flare if I don't have a tool to channel aether through.

**RobinRethiel** · 04-24-2015 11:52 PM

Originally Posted by gamesmart

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It does not really change anything. Of course I saw Papa's cast, but this would be part of the same trope, having a spell for Level 3 Limit Breaks, obviously cast in an instant, too, without any afford.

And @ Ilberd. If you just make someone the leader of you group, you collect some informations about them. But sure, it is not clear yet, if Ilberd is possessed or whatever. On the other side, when Papa can just summon Level 3 Limit breaks, Yda should have "Limit Broken" Ilberd. Would have helped a lot. Then we would have Raubahn's word vs Lolo's. Would be much more interesting.

@ Weapon
Well, I had one. I had many of them. I gave them (the invisible guards who were not there anyway) one and kept the others. I would never enter Uldah withou a weapon anyway. And I would not visit the Sultana without one. she summoned me as a "Warrior" and had not reason to mistrust us. The story would not happen this way, if somone had tried to take my weapons from me. It's that easy. So too bad, can't blame me, was not there at all. If you fantasize about things not in the cutscene, I do this, too.

Originally Posted by axemtitanium

Brass Blades are all Gladiators. Tempered Will.

That's a high class skill (Level 42) and only prevents heavy and knockback for a very short time. It does not make you immun to most CC.

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