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  1. #431
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    myahele's Avatar
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    Tonrak Totorak
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    I predict that they'll find out that we're talking to midgardsomnr, thus "forcing" us out of Ishgard until a series of fetch quests and a trial will convince the Ishgardians to trust us, again.
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  2. #432
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    RobinRethiel's Avatar
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    Quote Originally Posted by Cilia View Post
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    Well, all your points are just your personal opinion. That's fine, keep it. I stay with that what the game is actually showing and telling us.

    Quote Originally Posted by DawnSolaria View Post
    Rock bottom? It could have been much worse.
    We could end up in the prison with our level reset to 1, or got caught with certain heretic leader while trying to cross the border into Ishgard...
    If Square wants to kill their game, sure.

    It's one thing when you don't give players choices. That's acceptable, because it would mean (a lot) extra work. I don't know how many would accept, when they not only got no choices, but their characters getting raped like that and just by cutscenes they can only look at. Main problem of the main story for many players I talk with is anyway, that the main action you got is teleporting and walking. There are fights and there is danger, but still most of the time you are only spectator. This one bigger battle in North Thanalan was nice for example. You really could do something. The end of the beast tribe series in comparison. Sure, those beastman rangers was a nice idea, but really: you kill some trash mobs and that's it? Was a "bit" anticlimatic.

    It would have been also very nice, if we would have had real gameplay to get out of Uldah. I mean, it was the great finale in a GAME and all we can do is sit there and watch how stupid our PC behaves, walking from one (obvious) trap into another.

    Gameplay: Escape Uldah.
    You can fight - and they will blame all the dead on you.
    Or you can sneak out - and they will still blame all the dead on you. Because they are ******.

    Plan of the Scions could have been to split up, so the followers are forced to split up, too. They could have even used most of the same cutscenes, those just would have made more sense. It's not an exactly bad plan, if you want to avoid fighting and sneak out of a city, to split up.

    And why not able to help Raubahn? Give it some push back magic. Throw them/us out of the room and let the door be sealed afterwards. If we want to help or not, we just can't and have to flee, for now. Again, almost same cutscenes, same story.
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    Last edited by RobinRethiel; 04-21-2015 at 07:07 PM.

  3. #433
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Well, all your points are just your personal opinion. That's fine, keep it. I stay with that what the game is actually showing and telling us.
    I wasn't going to say a word about this, mostly because every time i have seen your comments on these topics its been very clear that anyone who disputes anything you have to say is in for a lost cause battle, nothing that /anyone/ has said has been anything more than an opinion, no ones is any more or less valid than anyone elses, yet you make comments such as this that are barely veiled ways of you saying i am right, anyone who agrees with /me/ is right, everyone else is wrong..

    The ending may not please everyone. I like it, others like it, some people don't.. that is the way most things are, square came up with their ending and regardless of if people like it or not that is how it will remain, i don't want to be "that person" but if the ending has so shaken the faith of people that hate it there is the door, or you can just wait and see how the story progresses from this point. Personally i will be waiting for the story to take us back to deal with the issues with the blades and crystal braves, and the syndicate, and whoever is behind everything~ as a dark knight auri, because the lore behind the job will make it the most fitting thing to do.
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  4. #434
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    Aria Placida
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryalandi View Post
    I wasn't going to say a word about this, mostly because every time i have seen your comments on these topics its been very clear that anyone who disputes anything you have to say is in for a lost cause battle, nothing that /anyone/ has said has been anything more than an opinion, no ones is any more or less valid than anyone elses, yet you make comments such as this that are barely veiled ways of you saying i am right, anyone who agrees with /me/ is right, everyone else is wrong..
    Yeah, well, y'know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man.

    Am I doing it right? >_>
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  5. #435
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    Quote Originally Posted by Aryalandi View Post
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    The ending may not please everyone. I like it, others like it, some people don't.. that is the way most things are, square came up with their ending and regardless of if people like it or not that is how it will remain, i don't want to be "that person" but if the ending has so shaken the faith of people that hate it there is the door, or you can just wait and see how the story progresses from this point. Personally i will be waiting for the story to take us back to deal with the issues with the blades and crystal braves, and the syndicate, and whoever is behind everything~ as a dark knight auri, because the lore behind the job will make it the most fitting thing to do.
    Does not work that way. As said, I took what we SAW and KNEW because of cutscenes and so on.

    To say, that we are helpless or weak without a weapon alone is pure assumption.

    You know what your (and I don't mean you alone) problem is? That you can't handle even a breeze of critic at something you personally want to be perfect with all might. If you and the others could handle this, it would be easy for you to say, that the critic IS a valid point, BUT you still like it the way it is. This would be no problem at all for me, if you would still love the story. But as long as you are crying havoc over clearly valid points, you won't get a "You are right!" from me. Not if you don't bring up also valid counterarguments and not just mere assumption, which do not make much sense.

    As long as you behave like that, trying to sell your assumptions as clear facts, which they are not, there is no reason for me to take those "answers" serious.

    I write her, because I hope, that it may give Square some nice ideas for the future. I don't know why you and the others write, maybe just to prevent this. God forbid, that we may get a story at the end, where we can make decisions or something evil like that.

    @ "Here is the door"
    Oh, please. You know what kind of people bring up something like that?
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    Last edited by RobinRethiel; 04-21-2015 at 11:51 PM.

  6. #436
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    Trpimir Ratyasch
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    Quote Originally Posted by RobinRethiel View Post
    Well, all your points are just your personal opinion. That's fine, keep it. I stay with that what the game is actually showing and telling us.
    As I said before, you ignore anything that's contrary to your opinion or dismiss it as nonsense.

    If you want to actually debate, offer a rebuttal. Otherwise I'm done with this.

    As an aside, channeling the Dude going "Yeah, well, y'know, that's just, like, uh, your opinion, man" and ad hominem attacks really do not help your case.
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  7. #437
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    No, you are ignoring it. You bring up nonsense, just do defend it. I clearly validated it by the analysis of the cutscenes. But you can't even accept this. It's pointless to discuss with you and everyone else who ignores FACTS. And if you find 100 people who say the same, quantity does not change facts. I could easily bring all those people here who share my opinion, but neither they nor I need this.

    There was no ad hominem. You are using it wrong. I clearly criticize the way you argue. Ad hominem would be if I would say: "The name of your character is dumb, so you are dumb and so your arguments are dumb, too." That would be ad hominem. Or if I would say: "You don't even know what ad hominem means, so I don't have to listen to you."

    To criticize the way you argue got nothing to do with this.
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  8. #438
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    Kytre Ashaer
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    I don't know what cutscene you're watching, but when we don't have our weapons...we can't do anything. Show me a cutscene where we are not helpless and have no weapon (no echo cutscene either, as they do not always follow what can happen in the waking world). Until you do, YOU are the one making an assumption, not everyone else
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  9. #439
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    Tuya Bayaqud
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    Remember you can be a kickass swordmaster but if you dont have your blade you cant do much. Same happens to casters on most settings. The only one that could hold his/her own unarmed would be monk, but since they wont be putting an special scene depening on your job, it can be assumed that Wol with no weapon = Wol that cant do much. And you dont need an special scene of you leaving your weapon at the entrance to guess that NO ONE goes near the Sultana armed no matter how friendly he/she is.

    And about other issues, remember that killing people left and right is a NO GO. Wol can still have the people popularity it he/she flees even with a few casualties, since most people wont sell the crap they are pinning on him/her. Another issue is if the Wol slaughters guards. no matter the reason since that would totally kill the support she /he could have. People wont bite the charges that Wol is being accused by the Monetarist, another issue is when people heard from their neighbours that the Wol killed their brother/husband/friends/whatever.
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  10. #440
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    Lili Rulu
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    Well, all the classes (excepting MNK) would be defenseless until they got a weapon which they could pick up from a enemy but the enemy needs to drop the weapon first. So you need to locate a person who uses the same weapon type as you which in the case of Rogues, Arcanists, possibly Thaumaturge will be incredibly difficult. Then you need to (while unarmed) knock them unconscious, kill them, or amputate the limb with the weapon in it. And do that while fighting not only them (again unarmed) but a large amount of armed soldiers.

    So to repeat the only way we could have fought back with out weapons is;

    1) Locate a person who has the same weapon type as us.
    2) Render unconscious, dead, or by removing the offending limb. While unarmed. and being attacked by several other armed soldiers.
    3) ???
    4) Profit off the absurdity of this actually working.

    And on the topic of Caster's and their defenselessness without a weapon. An arcanist/scholar/summoner needs their books to use their magic as they channel their spells in the arcane geometries within them. It's never stated if THM/BLM can or not but due to the special importance placed on certain parts of the staff I'm going with them needing them. Now CNJ/WHM has been explicitly stated that they can use their magic without their staff, however, this seems to be only in special cases (having a large amount of personal mana they can use instead of drawing from nature) and moreover it will kill them from repeated use.
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