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    @Kikoten

    So you are basically angry because I said I would like to hear what the devs think on the matter? Because as far as I know, I never demanded anything nor did I claim anyone owes me anything.
    Please stop accusing me of things I never said, in order to justify your ''rage''.

    @MidnightS:

    I couldn't agree more. Democracy and capitalism go together, at least in real life. Not so sure about how politics in a fantasy universe work though.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    Nanamo's actual age on the other hand is unknown
    So is the technical age of every other npc in the game. You can make estimates however, in her case.

    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    ( she even has pigtails)
    I dont suppose you've read the ''A Wheel of Time'' Novel series?

    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    (bursting out in tears, running into Raubahns arms)
    You'd have to be pretty heartless to see that event as anything other then perfectly relatable. I would cry and run into Raubahns arms too in that situation.


    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    she still sleeps with her plush toys for gods' sake!
    Some consider that cute.

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    Contrary to what most people assume about the female gender
    That human females have 2 X-chromosomes?

    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    Nanamo's death scene is disturbing
    Yes. But thats because shes a loveable character. Not because shes portrayed as a child.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    it was a largely unnecessary act of violence
    Yes, and so was what happend to Raubahn, thats an entirely different topic tho.
    Quote Originally Posted by Naamah View Post
    she was about to resign from her position anyway.
    She was about to rain down hell on the monetarists.
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    Y'know, it may just be current real life events influencing me, but I have a hard time believing that Ul'dah transforming into a democracy would have reduced the monetarist's power at all.
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    Quote Originally Posted by MidnightS View Post
    Y'know, it may just be current real life events influencing me, but I have a hard time believing that Ul'dah transforming into a democracy would have reduced the monetarist's power at all.
    I think a lot of it comes down to simply Lolorito being too stubbornly set in his ways - it was mentioned earlier in the game Lolorito was using his power to effectively stifle improvements to Ul'dah's infrastructure in order to further line his own pockets, particularly transportation infrastructure, as the owner of the East Aldernard Trading Company he had a vested interest after all in keeping Eorzea's transportation restricted, as more gil lines his pockets that way.

    After all, he refused an aetheryte to be built in Vesper Bay simply to slight the Scions because they wouldn't accept bribes from him (and hence that ostentatious statue of himself he had erected there - effectively laying his own ego over the needs of the people), and the mining railway that runs through Black Brush apparently Nanamo herself had realized the potential such transportation technology could have in opening up not just Thanalan but all of Eorzea to more effective trade if it was expanded and made available for passengers to use, but Lolorito continuously blocked and stonewalled all attempts to do just that, as it would compete against his monopoly of the chocobo-hauled trade caravans that are currently used as the primary means of ground transport (which is his primary business).

    Really, it all comes down to money. Scrapping the Syndicate and replacing it with a democratic republic would immediately impact his fortunes, although he would be able to bounce back, he only looked at things in the present and not for the future (after all, if you go back to Ul'dah after the end of 2.55 a new gossiping npc in the market mentions that since the banquet company after company have been going bankrupt and no one seems to know what is happening - clearly Lolorito is destroying business competition to build his power base. He's basically turning into a plutocratic megalomaniac.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Rannie View Post
    Aaaaannnd now I just had a mental image of Lahabrea walking into a store called Bodies R Us and trying on different humans.... >.<

    Lahabrea: hn too tall... tooo short.... Juuuuuust right.
    Venat was right.

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    Well... it might be easy to explain. Or not.

    The Monetarists lose power, they are kicked out from all governmental practices. Contrary: They change their names and become one of who knows how many political parties in the new Ul'dah Democracy.
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    Its also a situation where while they would still probably be in charge, a republic would create a situation where the leadership would be answerable to the public in a way the Syndicate isn't at the moment. Currently they are effectively dictators. Only other Syndicate members and the throne have any say in events. A republic models would hamper their current grip on power substantially and allow for popular opposition to rise in power just through swaying of Public opinion.
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    I recently finally finished the 2.55 AND to be fair everything was rather well predictable..The 1st time I meet Ilberd my spider sense if ever I had one was tingling like crazy, and everything was setup like the Crystal braves and Yayahase always talking about money. The cup that nanamo drank was similar to the poster used in 2.55 and Nanamo's decision to abdicate her throne was always gonna end up with her either being put in a coma or killed as the Syndicate has always used her as a puppet.

    The thing that really made me wonder though are;
    1) Why did Tataru smile like that during the scene on Costa del sol
    2) What happened to Riol and Alliane
    3) And what did the Emissary of the Ascian meant when he spoke to Urianger at the end.
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    Quote Originally Posted by SkyRobo1 View Post

    The thing that really made me wonder though are;
    1) Why did Tataru smile like that during the scene on Costa del sol
    2) What happened to Riol and Alliane
    3) And what did the Emissary of the Ascian meant when he spoke to Urianger at the end.
    I have to agree with you, it was pretty obvious that Ilberd was going to betray you, the 2.5 quests made it very clear Ilberd was lying about the death of the Merchant.

    1) Tataru smile is weird, because all Lalafell smile like that, I noticed this with my Lalafell aswell, when he smiling it looks very rapey. I think the emote makes it look like she has something up her sleeve. It is possible that Tataru is a villian, but I doubt this.

    2) Riol noticed in the last cutscene that some of the loyal CB members were getting killed off. When the corrupt CB members captured Alphinaud they were talking amongst themselves that they took care of the CB members that were loyal to Alphinaud. About Aliane, from Momodi, we found out that Aliane had something on her mind, she was so distressed that she did not finish her dinner. I think Aliane was one of the traitors, but she reconsidered her allegiance and was about to confess to the player. Sadly one of the CB members (I forgot his name, the scumbag that tried to sell you out during the Ifrit storyline) found out and probaly killed her and then left the vial of poison behind. or Aliane took the vial of poison to show it to the players as proof that the CB are going to kill Nanamo.

    3) I doubt Urianger would betray the trust of the Scions and work with the group that was responsible for the death of his friend/lover Moenbryda. I am guessing the Emissary is not as bad as we think that he is and from earlier conversations, he only wants a balance between dark and light, unlike his fellow Ascians who want to destroy the balance.
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    Quote Originally Posted by Laerune View Post
    2) Riol noticed in the last cutscene that some of the loyal CB members were getting killed off. When the corrupt CB members captured Alphinaud they were talking amongst themselves that they took care of the CB members that were loyal to Alphinaud. About Aliane, from Momodi, we found out that Aliane had something on her mind, she was so distressed that she did not finish her dinner. I think Aliane was one of the traitors, but she reconsidered her allegiance and was about to confess to the player. Sadly one of the CB members (I forgot his name, the scumbag that tried to sell you out during the Ifrit storyline) found out and probaly killed her and then left the vial of poison behind. or Aliane took the vial of poison to show it to the players as proof that the CB are going to kill Nanamo.
    That CB member was Laurentius, a Wood Wailer who was working with the Garleans for profit. It shouldn't have been a surprise to see him on the take. Still I'm hoping there's an option to basically tell him to hit the bricks if he begs for another chance (if not outright slaying him). "Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice, shame on me."
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    Quote Originally Posted by sagacious
    If I seen a cut scene I immediately skipped it, because after saving the whole world I am demoted to babysitting an idiot.

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    In regards to Urianger, I assumed he is playing the Ascian's game in hopes of backstabbing them later.
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