Thread: Dedicated Thread for Patch 2.55 Story Discussion/Spoilers

Originally Posted by Matrinka

I just don't want Nanamo to be dead. I'm hoping we get to go in and do something to destroy/cripple the Monatarists. Maybe then we'll get a "Save the Queen" weapon as a reward.

Kingdom Hearts reference?

Since she's the current subject of discussion, I'd like to point out that there's one disturbing aspect of Nanamo's death that seems to have gone pretty much unnoticed (please correct me if that's untrue).
This is a game rated 16+. Even in games with more ''mature content'' that FFXIV, there is still one taboo in the entire videogame industry: directly showing the death of children, or sometimes even creatures resembling children.
So, yes, I know Lallafels are not necessarily infants, I play one myself, and I've had to kill quite a few Garlean/Pirate/etc ones throughout the story, but those were kill or be killed situations, not to mention most of these Lallafel models had a moustache or other things indicating older age.
Nanamo's actual age on the other hand is unknown, especially since she has to act mature because of her role, but a. she looks like a child ( she even has pigtails) b. she sometimes displays the emotions of one (bursting out in tears, running into Raubahns arms) c. she still sleeps with her plush toys for gods' sake!
Contrary to what most people assume about the female gender, I'm not ridiculously sensitive or even fond of children, but Nanamo's death scene is as disturbing as the image of a little girl choking to death actually is. To make matters worse, it was a largely unnecessary act of violence, as she was about to resign from her position anyway.
I would very much like to have an official response to this.

Originally Posted by Naamah

I would very much like to have an official response to this.

Oh god. I would probably get banned if I gave the rather correct response here..against the hypocrisy in the morales of a certain country.

So in light of that ill suffice with saying that lalafells are not children. Nor based on the context can you in any form consider this particular lalafel to act as a child.

Originally Posted by Aeyis

Oh god. I would probably get banned if I gave the rather correct response here..against the hypocrisy in the morales of a certain country.

So in light of that ill suffice with saying that lalafells are not children. Nor based on the context can you in any form consider this particular lalafel to act as a child.

I'm not sure which country you are referring to, so I guess it's not in the EU.
As a European citizen I believe that not letting the depiction of violence against children become an all too common phenomenon in gaming is not hypocrisy, it's common sense.
Like I said before, I know that lore wise Lallafel don't look their age, but in all honesty, thats not the first thing that comes in mind when I seeing the Sultana's deathscene.
It's still the image of something that looks like a little girl choking to death.

Originally Posted by Belhi

Nanamo is in her 20s. Many Lalafell act in a childlike manner.

However from a story position Nanamo's assassination was necessary. Firstly she wasn't just resigning. Her action would have seriously undermined the power of the Monetarists. Secondly, this whole thing was a power play not just to remove her but to remove the Warrior of Light as well.

Its supposed to be shocking and horrifying because its an evil act and honestly an actuate depiction of anyone dying from choking to death on poison would be disturbing.

I still fail to see how her resignation would have negatively affected the Monetarists, as she was openly opposing them (even if it was without success). The second part of what you said, about getting rid of the player, makes sense though, especially since it also ruins the scions, and completely messes up the Immortal Flames

Originally Posted by Kikoten

I don't know why, but something about this post makes me want to rage at you.

Evil knows no bounds. I'm sorry that you think the Sultana was a child.

Perhaps you want to rage at me because you didn't understand what I am saying?
Perhaps the fault lies with my choice of words, but I've already clarified what I am trying to say a few posts above yours.
Here we go again in case you missed it:

Originally Posted by Naamah

Like I said before, I know that lore wise Lallafel don't look their age, but in all honesty, thats not the first thing that comes in mind when seeing the Sultana's deathscene.
It's still the image of something that looks like a little girl choking to death.

In any case, thanks for the explanation Enkidoh